i-Ram Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 The Sun and Mail were quite kind when compared to former Labour favourite Alan Johnson: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=2ahUKEwjb7Yvw27PmAhUBZMAKHRMzCVUQ0PADMAJ6BAgHEA4&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2Fpolitics%2Fgeneral-election-result-alan-johnson-jon-lansman-labour-corbyn-latest-a9244806.html&usg=AOvVaw0xMYk5dd7hEV5UI6adLf7H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, i-Ram said: The Sun and Mail were quite kind when compared to former Labour favourite Alan Johnson: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=2ahUKEwjb7Yvw27PmAhUBZMAKHRMzCVUQ0PADMAJ6BAgHEA4&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2Fpolitics%2Fgeneral-election-result-alan-johnson-jon-lansman-labour-corbyn-latest-a9244806.html&usg=AOvVaw0xMYk5dd7hEV5UI6adLf7H I missed that episode of Peep Show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Highgate said: I'll have to file you in the 'opponent of democracy' camp hereafter, given your unwillingness to treat voters equally regardless of the geographical location and the population density of their neighbourhood ?. I'm trying to increase democracy not become an opponent of it! I think FPTP has had its day but don't think PR is the answer. When I find the solution I'll get back to everyone thats been questioning me. I might be a while... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Van Gritters said: Yeah when you have a democratic vote the best thing to do is for the losers to riot. That's crap - I'm not going to defend them. Anti-fascists turning up to fascist marches to stand against them is one thing, but trying to start riots because the Tories won the election is a really bad look to put it mildly At least wait until the Tories have done something awful that deserves a good old bit of civil disobedience - I'm pretty sure they won't have a long wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Some nice little stories here about why The Tory party is clearly a friend of their new working class voters. Thank god those awful Labour elites didn't get into power. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/dec/13/super-rich-family-buy-65m-house-to-celebrate-johnsons-victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 4 hours ago, 1of4 said: What give billions to those work shy scroungers. The nations not voted tory, to see their taxes wasted on frivolous schemes like this. Come this time next year after we've signed the great deal with the EU and the even better one with the USA. Then with all the new well paid jobs that will be available to the british people and the glut of cheap food flooding the country, there'll be no need for food banks anyway. I don’t buy this food bank scandal. Yes for the desperate and very very poor ... but bottom line, food is cheap. A bag of pasta is less then a quid. Tins of tomatoes 30p a whole chicken for a next to nothing .. No one needs to be in food poverty. ... other things like crappy landlords, yes. Dodgy phone deals, drug dealers, scam merchants and pay day loan sharks. yes .. there are lots of crimes perpetuated on the poor and I’d love to criticise and nail the perpetrators and would do so with every bone of my body but if you actually want to eat wholesome food you don’t have a problem with access or help or cost next to beer fags and a load of sundries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 21 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: That's crap - I'm not going to defend them. Anti-fascists turning up to fascist marches to stand against them is one thing, but trying to start riots because the Tories won the election is a really bad look to put it mildly At least wait until the Tories have done something awful that deserves a good old bit of civil disobedience - I'm pretty sure they won't have a long wait! Totally agree Schtive, speaking as someone who views the Conservative party as a bunch of traitors for doing everything they can to destroy the standard of living of my fellow countrymen, even for me, protesting about them winning an election is beyond pathetic. Turning out to chase nazis away is a great British tradition, something we have always done in my lifetime and before, but loitering around Whitehall to protest after this election is obviously people who have no lives, no jobs and no families to care about. Proper protesting about nazis is absolutely fine and something all decent people should do. In my little sleepy town of Utcheter, a small group of 8 or so of us were walking through the market place on our way for a pint before catching the train to Derby for the match one Saturday when we noticed a protest march carrying Union Jacks and some chanting going on. It was 1983 and the National Front were a bit active, Shane Meadows made his films based on these times, he grew up in Utch, as we stood and watched, they chanted "There ain't no black in the Union Jack" , one of the lads with us was black so straightaway we were on the front foot but then some of the master race started pointing at him and telling him to go home and other such pleasantries. Despite our black friend telling us not to, we piled in and a few of their most vociferous cretins took a beating. They ran off and were laughed out of town. They were very lucky actually because our mate was a Royal Marine who had fought at Goose Green and helped to retake the Falkland Islands the year before and apart from one indiscretion where he knocked out a particularly hateful banker, he controlled himself very well. Better than us. We were outraged that these dheads could march through our town spouting their vile hatred against their fellow man because of the colour of his skin. I accept that Corbyn was a poor leader and cost us the election but i really struggle to comprehend that we have given a racist Prime Minister a majority. Bad times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 50 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said: Some nice little stories here about why The Tory party is clearly a friend of their new working class voters. Thank god those awful Labour elites didn't get into power. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/dec/13/super-rich-family-buy-65m-house-to-celebrate-johnsons-victory Hope the guy buying the house as the sort of job that will let him stay here, after the tories introduce their new points based immigration policy. It would be a shame to see another house in London standing empty, especially with all the hard working British people, who are finding it difficult to find decent accommodation in central London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Van der MoodHoover said: Was it wes streeting? Mp for ilford Yeah, it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 @maxjam, I thought we were told Antifa aren't in this country from posters here. The far left are our of control. The true fascists. The hypocrisy is laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 So who do current Labour voters want as the next Leader of the Opposition? Stay far left or go more centre left? Slim pickings either way by the list of odds at the moment. Same could be said about the Conservatives a few months a go, though. Depressing, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 2 hours ago, jono said: I don’t buy this food bank scandal. Yes for the desperate and very very poor ... but bottom line, food is cheap. A bag of pasta is less then a quid. Tins of tomatoes 30p a whole chicken for a next to nothing .. No one needs to be in food poverty. ... other things like crappy landlords, yes. Dodgy phone deals, drug dealers, scam merchants and pay day loan sharks. yes .. there are lots of crimes perpetuated on the poor and I’d love to criticise and nail the perpetrators and would do so with every bone of my body but if you actually want to eat wholesome food you don’t have a problem with access or help or cost next to beer fags and a load of sundries. Say three quid for chicken and pasta in tomato sauce to feed a family of four. Lets make it stretch out for two days worth of meals, don't want them getting obese do we. Even if they go mad and have a whole chicken on Sunday thats a grand total of twelve pounds for the week. Woo-Hoo Now if you can suggest an economical way of cooking it, that would be great. Maybe an open fire in the back-yard. See I told you there was no need to waste billions on those piss-heads down at the food banks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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G STAR RAM Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 7 hours ago, uttoxram75 said: Totally agree Schtive, speaking as someone who views the Conservative party as a bunch of traitors for doing everything they can to destroy the standard of living of my fellow countrymen, even for me, protesting about them winning an election is beyond pathetic. Turning out to chase nazis away is a great British tradition, something we have always done in my lifetime and before, but loitering around Whitehall to protest after this election is obviously people who have no lives, no jobs and no families to care about. Proper protesting about nazis is absolutely fine and something all decent people should do. In my little sleepy town of Utcheter, a small group of 8 or so of us were walking through the market place on our way for a pint before catching the train to Derby for the match one Saturday when we noticed a protest march carrying Union Jacks and some chanting going on. It was 1983 and the National Front were a bit active, Shane Meadows made his films based on these times, he grew up in Utch, as we stood and watched, they chanted "There ain't no black in the Union Jack" , one of the lads with us was black so straightaway we were on the front foot but then some of the master race started pointing at him and telling him to go home and other such pleasantries. Despite our black friend telling us not to, we piled in and a few of their most vociferous cretins took a beating. They ran off and were laughed out of town. They were very lucky actually because our mate was a Royal Marine who had fought at Goose Green and helped to retake the Falkland Islands the year before and apart from one indiscretion where he knocked out a particularly hateful banker, he controlled himself very well. Better than us. We were outraged that these dheads could march through our town spouting their vile hatred against their fellow man because of the colour of his skin. I accept that Corbyn was a poor leader and cost us the election but i really struggle to comprehend that we have given a racist Prime Minister a majority. Bad times. Now I know you are not one that will hide from debate and will answer respectfully even if you disagree with my view, so I will put the below to you. Your story above shows how people stick up for their close friends against racism. If you believe Boris is racist, how does this reconcile with him having Javid and Patel in his cabinet? Do you not think they would have something to say about him being a racist? Ok, let's assume Johnson is a racist and you see Corbyn as the better option. How would you feel about Corbyn having Dianne Abbot as Home Secretary given her past racist comments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 9 hours ago, ariotofmyown said: Interesting post and question and I was surprised that Tories won so many seats. I live in an affluent area in the South East and people round here dislike Johnson and are mostly Remain. They haven't got 'working class' jobs though but most of them I know came from fairly modest backgrounds but are relatively comfortably off now. I expected Lib Dems to do much better around these parts, with the Remain vote, as well as people worried about the economic effects of a Johnson Brexit. I work on the outskirts of London and no one I know admitted to voting Tory. One colleague reckoned every traditional Tory he know was not gonna vote for them. I also work in a heavily multi-cultural office too and I think it must be much harder to ignore things like Johnson's letterbox comment when you have Muslim friends and colleagues. Or his bum boys comment when you know first hand the struggles people have had with their sexuality. I'm also surprised that the poorer, more Northern areas have gone for Johnson. They would clearer have benefitted more from the Labour manifesto but chose people who, at times, seem to actively despise them. Surely plenty of Brexit voters, who still want Brexit, must still be worried about their jobs if we leave the EU. Labour's plan to offer another referendum when we actually have an idea of the deal was pretty sensible. But Brexit has become so poisoned that most common sense has flown out of the window. The idea that the likes of Johnson and Farage got into Brexit to help these areas would be laughable if it wasn't so depressing. I'm from a fairly poor midlands town and the mates I've still got from there are all not Tory. We've all got decent jobs though and would probably be better of financially under a tax cutting Johnson regime. Been 41 like me though, you've grown up knowing the devastation that the Tories caused under Thatcher in the Midlands and North, and some of this current mob seem even more extreme. If things have been tough for you for the last 10 years, why give the Tories yet another go now?! I want to live in a fair and just country, where society is tolerant and people look out for each other. This sort of country would be successful and is easy to achieve with some of the ideas Labour had this time around. In the last 48 hours we have shifted away even further from this direction and I worry for our future. I'll probably be fine though, so fk the lot of you!! Finally, this was one of my mates chat today when he realised recently that Labour were done for.... "I went to get my hair cut and sat reading the papers for 10 mins while I waited. They were all (they didn’t have the guardian or mirror) horrendously anti Corbin, not one page but the whole rags. The sun (it won’t surprise you) was basically a vile cover to cover “corbin will ruin your life” edition. I had to stop reading it was terrible. But it made me think how many people are taking this in." Are we neighbours? North, south, east or west London? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 7 hours ago, uttoxram75 said: Totally agree Schtive, speaking as someone who views the Conservative party as a bunch of traitors for doing everything they can to destroy the standard of living of my fellow countrymen, even for me, protesting about them winning an election is beyond pathetic. Turning out to chase nazis away is a great British tradition, something we have always done in my lifetime and before, but loitering around Whitehall to protest after this election is obviously people who have no lives, no jobs and no families to care about. Proper protesting about nazis is absolutely fine and something all decent people should do. In my little sleepy town of Utcheter, a small group of 8 or so of us were walking through the market place on our way for a pint before catching the train to Derby for the match one Saturday when we noticed a protest march carrying Union Jacks and some chanting going on. It was 1983 and the National Front were a bit active, Shane Meadows made his films based on these times, he grew up in Utch, as we stood and watched, they chanted "There ain't no black in the Union Jack" , one of the lads with us was black so straightaway we were on the front foot but then some of the master race started pointing at him and telling him to go home and other such pleasantries. Despite our black friend telling us not to, we piled in and a few of their most vociferous cretins took a beating. They ran off and were laughed out of town. They were very lucky actually because our mate was a Royal Marine who had fought at Goose Green and helped to retake the Falkland Islands the year before and apart from one indiscretion where he knocked out a particularly hateful banker, he controlled himself very well. Better than us. We were outraged that these dheads could march through our town spouting their vile hatred against their fellow man because of the colour of his skin. I accept that Corbyn was a poor leader and cost us the election but i really struggle to comprehend that we have given a racist Prime Minister a majority. Bad times. How dare you deny a proud patriot his right to free speech? You're the fascist! ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 7 hours ago, Norman said: @maxjam, I thought we were told Antifa aren't in this country from posters here. The far left are our of control. The true fascists. The hypocrisy is laughable. I thought the posters and placards said Socialist Workers "Party", didn't see Antifa once. Show me the SWPs policies on private capital, on nationalism, on class? Or stop misusing the word fascist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamRam Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 5 hours ago, 1of4 said: Say three quid for chicken and pasta in tomato sauce to feed a family of four. Lets make it stretch out for two days worth of meals, don't want them getting obese do we. Even if they go mad and have a whole chicken on Sunday thats a grand total of twelve pounds for the week. Woo-Hoo Now if you can suggest an economical way of cooking it, that would be great. Maybe an open fire in the back-yard. See I told you there was no need to waste billions on those piss-heads down at the food banks. One of the reason I asked how many people use food banks because you keep quoting figures. Of course one is to many, however if you are going to offer “free” food then you will always get people that will take up this offer. The total number of food parcels given away last year was 1.6m, 23% of these were to people that couldn’t afford to eat. Still way to many as you say however given that a parcel only lasts 3 days, the actual number of people using them in this criteria could be under 10,000. The balance of them are down to benefits being late or other reasons. I’m just wondering how you would tackle this issue, as I said earlier whilst food banks exist they will always be used, are you suggesting they should all be closed ? Why are these people in such financial crisis that they need to use the banks, are you suggesting we increase all benefits ? Make food cheaper, only way really to do that is reducing VAT ? Must be a simple solution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 11 minutes ago, GboroRam said: I thought the posters and placards said Socialist Workers "Party", didn't see Antifa once. Show me the SWPs policies on private capital, on nationalism, on class? Or stop misusing the word fascist. Look again at the video. Great big duck off Antifa flag. WTF is happening with some people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Probably not funny but have a listen https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000c4sj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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