Eddie Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 3 hours ago, maxjam said: ? Have you read The Guardian The Guardian has always been a Liberal-supporting newspaper. Can you not tell the difference? Narrator: "Obviously not" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 3 hours ago, AndyinLiverpool said: It is most definitely not pro Corbyn in its editorial policy. Pro Labour with plenty of favourable Corbyn articles, more so with opinion pieces; https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/03/which-parties-are-the-uk-press-backing-in-the-general-election https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2017/03/07/how-left-or-right-wing-are-uks-newspapers https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/commentisfree+politics/jeremy-corbyn https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/commentisfree+politics/jeremy-corbyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 16 minutes ago, maxjam said: Pro Labour with plenty of favourable Corbyn articles, more so with opinion pieces; https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/03/which-parties-are-the-uk-press-backing-in-the-general-election https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2017/03/07/how-left-or-right-wing-are-uks-newspapers https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/commentisfree+politics/jeremy-corbyn https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/commentisfree+politics/jeremy-corbyn The Guardian was highly critical of Corbyn until last General Election. When Labour did well in Guardian-reading areas, they seemed to soften a lot. I wish politics was more about policies than personalities of leaders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 On 11/10/2019 at 17:52, reverendo de duivel said: The democratic race reminds me of a rule I had when I used to bet on the horses. If Willie Mullins had one or two entries in the Cheltenham bumper, back them both regardless of odds, he obviously fancied one, but when he had multiple entries give them a swerve, as he had no stand out candidate. This year he had only one runner and lost out to the Elliot trained runner. In 2018 he had 4 (maybe even 5, I can't remember) in the race with 3 of them finishing 1st, 2nd and 3rd ?♀️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 10 hours ago, Van der MoodHoover said: Hate?? Bit strong unless he’s touched your wife somehow in a deeply personal way. FTFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 5 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: Should probably tell you all you need to know if he cant get any sort of media behind him. Yeah, it tells us that by and large, the mainstream UK media is owned by foreign, tax-dodging right wingers who are terrified that Corbyn might actually win an election and make them pay their dues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 46 minutes ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said: This year he had only one runner and lost out to the Elliot trained runner. In 2018 he had 4 (maybe even 5, I can't remember) in the race with 3 of them finishing 1st, 2nd and 3rd ?♀️ Yes, that's why I used to bet on horses, and no longer do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 1 hour ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said: FTFY Really.. Bet your proud of that post.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ram for All Seasons Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 21 hours ago, Highgate said: I don't think there can be any doubt that Boris has been trying to emulate the Trump playbook as much as he can. It's not quite as easy for him in the UK. He doesn't have TV channels that are entirely and blatantly devoted to his party like Trump has in the US with Fox News. But he'll persevere, without being sincere about any issue and holding only one cause close to his heart....the advancement of his own political career. I'm not nearly as well up on internal British politics as everyone else on this thread and I don't really know the details of how Corbyn is being treated by the media in the UK. But, given that his policies threaten to take some of the super rich's wealth away and re-distribute it among the rest of the nation, I'd be shocked if he isn't being relentlessly and unfairly targeted by large sections of the media. That's what usually happens when you threaten some of the uber-wealthy with even a modest leveling of the financial playing field. They fight back hard, and they have plenty of means and influence at their disposal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 3 hours ago, maxjam said: Pro Labour with plenty of favourable Corbyn articles, more so with opinion pieces; https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/03/which-parties-are-the-uk-press-backing-in-the-general-election https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2017/03/07/how-left-or-right-wing-are-uks-newspapers https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/commentisfree+politics/jeremy-corbyn https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/commentisfree+politics/jeremy-corbyn After looking at the you/gov survey on newspapers. I'd like to meet the Mail and Telegraph reader, who classifies themselves as very left-wing and considers both papers to be a very left-wing. If these are left-wing papers, what would they consider to be a right-wing publication? Mein Kempf or would they think that was also leaning to the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Lets be honest, any Labour leader who stands for a non-privatised Health service will be absolutely slaughtered by the national press. That's what is come down to in reality. Support for a National Health Service = socialism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 3 hours ago, uttoxram75 said: Lets be honest, any Labour leader who stands for a non-privatised Health service will be absolutely slaughtered by the national press. That's what is come down to in reality. Support for a National Health Service = socialism. Hope we never go down the same route as the USA. Where thousands die each year because they can't afford to pay for private health care insurance in the first place or what health care policy they can afford, doesn't cover them sufficiently when they become ill. Also even those with good medical insurance can still have to pay out thousands of dollars extra to obtain the medicines prescribed to them. So for many our National Health Service = Life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 23 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: Inheritance tax affects everyone. Just because someone is only earning £20k does not mean they do not have a nice house or anything passed down through the family. Hmm...HMRC disagree with you. As an 'accountant' I thought you would know that? Also there are plenty of legal avenues to avoid it as well. The only effect, that is common, is that you have to report it regardless of value. https://www.gov.uk/inheritance-tax Inheritance Tax is a tax on the estate (the property, money and possessions) of someone who’s died. There’s normally no Inheritance Tax to pay if either: the value of your estate is below the £325,000 threshold you leave everything above the £325,000 threshold to your spouse, civil partner, a charity or a community amateur sports club If the estate’s value is below the threshold you’ll still need to report it to HMRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, McRamFan said: Hmm...HMRC disagree with you. As an 'accountant' I thought you would know that? Also there are plenty of legal avenues to avoid it as well. The only effect, that is common, is that you have to report it regardless of value. https://www.gov.uk/inheritance-tax Inheritance Tax is a tax on the estate (the property, money and possessions) of someone who’s died. There’s normally no Inheritance Tax to pay if either: the value of your estate is below the £325,000 threshold you leave everything above the £325,000 threshold to your spouse, civil partner, a charity or a community amateur sports club If the estate’s value is below the threshold you’ll still need to report it to HMRC. Any why do HMRC disagree with me? Being an 'expert' on every matter I'm sure you can point out what I have said that is incorrect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 4 hours ago, 1of4 said: Hope we never go down the same route as the USA. Where thousands die each year because they can't afford to pay for private health care insurance in the first place or what health care policy they can afford, doesn't cover them sufficiently when they become ill. Also even those with good medical insurance can still have to pay out thousands of dollars extra to obtain the medicines prescribed to them. So for many our National Health Service = Life. 3000 Americans die due to food poisoning, every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Any why do HMRC disagree with me? Being an 'expert' on every matter I'm sure you can point out what I have said that is incorrect? Go read what you read. 'Inheritance tax affects everybody'. Nope you are wrong. It's not a case of being an expert, it's a case of checking facts. Something that you do not do, either because you are in capable of, or just make it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, McRamFan said: Go read what you read. 'Inheritance tax affects everybody'. Nope you are wrong. It's not a case of being an expert, it's a case of checking facts. Something that you do not do, either because you are in capable of, or just make it up. The original poster said something along the lines of inheritance tax doesnt affect factory workers earning £20k per year. Inheritance tax affects anyone who receives an estate above the exempt threshold, its irrelevant what they earn. And as parents begin to pass down properties that have benefitted from the property booms, then more and more people will be subject to inheritance tax. If you wasnt clever enough to work out that is what I meant then maybe you're not as intelligent as you try to have everyone believe, although I'm sure you will now post another pointless link that shows everyone how clever you really are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 minute ago, G STAR RAM said: The original poster said something along the lines of inheritance tax doesnt affect factory workers earning £20k per year. Inheritance tax affects anyone who receives an estate above the exempt threshold, its irrelevant what they earn. And as parents begin to pass down properties that have benefitted from the property booms, then more and more people will be subject to inheritance tax. If you wasnt clever enough to work out that is what I meant then maybe you're not as intelligent as you try to have everyone believe, although I'm sure you will now post another pointless link that shows everyone how clever you really are. You are making assumptions. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Just now, McRamFan said: You are making assumptions. Again. What assumptions am I making? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 11 hours ago, 1of4 said: After looking at the you/gov survey on newspapers. I'd like to meet the Mail and Telegraph reader, who classifies themselves as very left-wing and considers both papers to be a very left-wing. If these are left-wing papers, what would they consider to be a right-wing publication? Mein Kempf or would they think that was also leaning to the left. Haha yeah its the same for all the papers, you get the extremes on both sides that think left wing rags are right wing and visa versa ? The article is 2 years old now and it would be interesting to see a more recent one, its feels like politics (both here and in the US) is driving more people to the extremes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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