Eddie Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 30 minutes ago, Angry Ram said: Democrat.. They are too far left to get any real traction outside NY & LA. Republicans probably consider Attila The Hun to be a dangerous pinko in some areas of the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Angry Ram said: Democrat.. They are too far left to get any real traction outside NY & LA. That's the Republican mantra alright and probably true for a section of the US. But taken on a issue by issue basis even the most left wing of the Democrat candidates' policies (lets say Sanders) have widespread support among the US population. The US population is in general further to the left on most issues than their elected representatives. It's just unfortunate that, in US politics, the word 'socialist' is still such an effective slur against any candidate who is not primarily concerned with further enriching the wealthiest 1%.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 16 minutes ago, Highgate said: That's the Republican mantra alright and probably true for a section of the US. But taken on a issue by issue basis even the most left wing of the Democrat candidates' policies (lets say Sanders) have widespread support among the US population. The US population is in general further to the left on most issues than their elected representatives. It's just unfortunate that, in US politics, the word 'socialist' is still such an effective slur against any candidate who is not primarily concerned with further enriching the wealthiest 1%.. Yet, unless he is removed from office or self implodes, he will win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Angry Ram said: Yet, unless he is removed from office or self implodes, he will win. That's a possibility alright, after all thanks to the electoral college system he doesn't even have to be the most popular candidate to win the election, as he has already proven. Genuinely, I don't think he'll win in 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Angry Ram said: Yet, unless he is removed from office or self implodes, he will win. I think a lot depends on who wins the democrat nomination - and how much dirt Trump can dig up on them when the time comes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Highgate said: That's a possibility alright, after all thanks to the electoral college system he doesn't even have to be the most popular candidate to win the election, as he has already proven. Genuinely, I don't think he'll win in 2020. I've just come back from the New York and it's almost a taboo subject. Never mention any sort of support for Trump. Even those who I know who support him, will never state that in public. A bit like climate change, sceptics in the most part, don't speak up. Leavers in the Brexit debate, normally keep their opinions as low key as possible. Maybe that is just a London thing but I would never go to an event down here and nail my colours to the mast. Just not worth the hassle. Don't underestimate Trumps support even by those who may appear to say otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: I think a lot depends on who wins the democrat nomination - and how much dirt Trump can dig up on them when the time comes... Elizabeth Warren.. She's the front runner now (maybe). He would love it to be that native american lady. He will eat her alive. Warren, Biden, Saunders or Harris? Nah.. Won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Angry Ram said: I've just come back from the New York and it's almost a taboo subject. Never mention any sort of support for Trump. Even those who I know who support him, will never state that in public. A bit like climate change, sceptics in the most part, don't speak up. Leavers in the Brexit debate, normally keep their opinions as low key as possible. Maybe that is just a London thing but I would never go to an event down here and nail my colours to the mast. Just not worth the hassle. Don't underestimate Trumps support even by those who may appear to say otherwise. A silent section of the electorate that doesn't show up in polls? Interesting point and certainly plausible, and it would help explain why polling has been so unreliable of late. But as you say yourself, outside of the big cities, in rural US, isn't the situation precisely the opposite? Maybe liberals are the silent ones in those areas. Climate change skeptics just need to learn a bit of basic physics, that would sort them out pretty quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 15 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: I think a lot depends on who wins the democrat nomination - and how much dirt Trump can dig up on them when the time comes... Certainly that's what he'll do. But isn't it ironic that the amount of dirt he will dig up on his opponent actually matters? Given the mountain of dirt that is already common knowledge regarding Trump. I happen to think Warren would be a very strong candidate and would beat Trump in 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Montgolfier said: Republicans probably consider Attila The Hun to be a dangerous pinko in some areas of the USA. Nah, they're cool with him since he dropped his proposed Spear and Blood-curdling Axe Control Bill. Now it's ok to own multiple maiming implements in your household, as enshrined in the constitution.......? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 55 minutes ago, Angry Ram said: Yet, unless he is removed from office or self implodes, he will win. I'm waiting for the USA to declare a war - doesn't matter who with. The Trump core would love a war, and that would guarantee his victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Highgate said: A silent section of the electorate that doesn't show up in polls? Interesting point and certainly plausible, and it would help explain why polling has been so unreliable of late. But as you say yourself, outside of the big cities, in rural US, isn't the situation precisely the opposite? Maybe liberals are the silent ones in those areas. Climate change skeptics just need to learn a bit of basic physics, that would sort them out pretty quickly. Highly possible. Population spread might not mean that is too many in number as opposed to high concentrations in major cities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 5 hours ago, Highgate said: An alternative Republican nominee? Or the lack of a decent Democrat opponent in the election itself? The democratic race reminds me of a rule I had when I used to bet on the horses. If Willie Mullins had one or two entries in the Cheltenham bumper, back them both regardless of odds, he obviously fancied one, but when he had multiple entries give them a swerve, as he had no stand out candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, reverendo de duivel said: The democratic race reminds me of a rule I had when I used to bet on the horses. If Willie Mullins had one or two entries in the Cheltenham bumper, back them both regardless of odds, he obviously fancied one, but when he had multiple entries give them a swerve, as he had no stand out candidate. Did it work? Are you fabulously wealthy as a result? ? I don't bet on horses, maybe twice a year at most. I did get Elizabeth Warren for president at 14-1 more than a year ago now, she's 5-2 now so I'm quite happy with that. Her or Sanders are who I'd like to see as next president, regardless of the bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 48 minutes ago, Highgate said: Did it work? Are you fabulously wealthy as a result? ? I don't bet on horses, maybe twice a year at most. I did get Elizabeth Warren for president at 14-1 more than a year ago now, she's 5-2 now so I'm quite happy with that. Her or Sanders are who I'd like to see as next president, regardless of the bet. cash out!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 minute ago, maxjam said: cash out!!! That's for pussies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 52 minutes ago, Highgate said: Did it work? Are you fabulously wealthy as a result? ? I don't bet on horses, maybe twice a year at most. I did get Elizabeth Warren for president at 14-1 more than a year ago now, she's 5-2 now so I'm quite happy with that. Her or Sanders are who I'd like to see as next president, regardless of the bet. Like most of my schemes it never really got me anywhere. I would still say the principle is sound mind, lots of runners and riders can show there's not an outstanding candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimRam Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 4 hours ago, GboroRam said: I'm waiting for the USA to declare a war - doesn't matter who with. The Trump core would love a war, and that would guarantee his victory. He avoided one with North Korea. Kim JY was probably the closest someone has come to "pushing the button". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 19 minutes ago, reverendo de duivel said: Like most of my schemes it never really got me anywhere. I would still say the principle is sound mind, lots of runners and riders can show there's not an outstanding candidate. Except they are not all from the same stable, they all enter themselves in the race. If, when the primaries are under way, no clear favourites emerges from the long list of candidates, then I might take that as an indication that there are no outstanding candidates. At the moment, the large field only suggests to me that practically every second Democrat thinks they can win the nomination and defeat Trump. You could argue, of course, they would be less likely to fancy their chances from the start if there were an outstanding Democrat in the field. But then nobody has really had the chance to prove themselves yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 35 minutes ago, maxjam said: cash out!!! I reckon she's in it to win it. Native Americans don't give up easily ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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