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AndyinLiverpool

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8 minutes ago, TimRam said:

Just my tuppence worth on this. With no-deal still on the table (we do not have to commit to it) we had more bargaining power for Boris to get a better deal from the EU. I doubt some of the French food produce sellers, German car manufactures and other EU businesses want a no-deal. Now this is almost certainly off the table, all we are left with is the rubbish deal May got us. The EU have stressed they will not re-negotiate this.

Those German car manufacturers again ...

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uttoxram75

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8 hours ago, Van Gritters said:

I agree @uttoxram75 my mother grew up without a pot to piss in proper Council House hand me down shoes/clothes etc. When she got married and had kids she vowed her kids wouldn’t suffer like she had. She found that Maggie Thatcher supported her and enabled her to work while her kids went to school she prospered and owned her own house. This wasn’t under a socialist government though it was a conservative government that gave her the opportunity.

It was a socialist policy to build council houses...

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Gritstone Ram

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37 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

Yes, that's what the EU said. A negotiation was had, and an agreement made. They have said they will not renegotiate, but I think they would under the right circumstances. They will not accept an attempt to remove the backstop without a workable alternative being proposed, like May tried multiple times. 

However Boris isn't even trying to renegotiate. He's not interested. It's parliament that won't accept leaving without an agreement. Frankly I think the EU will let us leave with the deal on the table or with no deal. As long as we just get on and do it. 

In fact the EU offered the last extension on the basis we can leave earlier than the 31st, if we want. Boris just needed to tell them. But he chose not to, so you have to think what no deal really means. Nobody wants it, not even Boris. But he's posturing to try to look like he's being tough, but the only bargaining chip he has is a knife to his throat. It's a pretty sad situation. 

Can't understand how it's the EU controlling the situation. Entirely down to parliament. I know you don't like the EU but it's a stretch to pin it on them. 

You can keep kidding yourself but believe me we aren’t allowed to leave. 

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9 hours ago, uttoxram75 said:

Totally agree mate, your mum has grown up in a socialist state like me and my my parents.

I hope the next generation has the same opportunitys that we have had like free education and a NHS.

What really gets her though is the fact that in retirement she still has to pay for everything because she was sensible and made provisions for her old age and she sees people who have done nothing and put very little into the country get everything paid for.

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Gritstone Ram

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3 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

Maybe. Haven't seen any evidence, but I guess that's part of the conspiracy. 

Is Elvis involved at all? 

That’s it make a joke out of it. We’re not allowed to leave you see. We will only get what they want which will be stay in or stay attached we can’t and are not allowed to leave.

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Gee SCREAMER !!

Gee SCREAMER !!

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26 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said:

Shame they left in the same week as the leaders of Vote Leave has shown themselves up to be clueless and naive. Think Johnson is ready to throw the towel in and become tv personality. Cummins and Mogg probably fancy a go at ramping up the hate another level. Be interesting/scary to see what they try and do next.

We would have left by now too if the ERG muppets had voted for May's deal. But the EU won't let us leave will they?

It's ridiculous how voting to the leave now means crashing out with a no deal. Total opposite of what the Vote Leave liars told us in the referendum campaign.

It's a big gamble to assume that the 52% who voted leave will also back the Tories in a No Deal. That 52% contains a big non-extreme majority who won't be keen on how Johnson and friends are acting. And they are gonna lose any Tory remainers too. Next election will be fascinating.

They always intended to make it is difficult as possible or Italy and The Netherlands would quickly follow suit, probably Spain and in a few years France.  In direct contradiction to what is posted on this topic,  the role is reversed in France where younger voters are becoming more minded to an independent France out of the EU than within.

Labour have no chance so will join with the SNP.  They would prefer Lib Dem but this would lose some voters in Scotland and Sturgeons ultimate aim is another referendum on Scottish independence .  

Tory will join with Brexit to secure votes in Northern England that Labour have pissed away over the last ten tears by listening to no one .  The dedicated followers of fashion Lib dem will continue to push for remain in a totally undemocratic way in the hope they will get enough lemmings to follow them over the cliff.  This will split the vote and ensure Conservative are in power again with a Brexit power share . 

Somehow Diane Abbott will still have a job after all this, despite being the most clueless person in politics .  Kenneth Clarke will also have a job somewhere in politics as he has since the civil war. 

OVER AND OUT

 

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1 minute ago, GboroRam said:

They won't let us leave. 

Is that the lizard people? 

 

8 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said:

I actually thought you were joking. All that Chem trails stuff set the tone. 

I'm out . Will leave you lot to your tumbleweed wit and opinion that anyone who has an opinion other than yours lives in a cave and etches on walls.

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GboroRam

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4 minutes ago, Van Gritters said:

No it’s no joke if we leave it will be by name only. There are too many forces stopping us from leaving.

Maybe you were expecting more than was possible? 

Any deal we got by design would be less than we had as a member. I thought that was pretty self evident, and leave voters had come to terms with the concept of leaving costing us money and leaving us as second class citizens in Europe. 

If we want to keep the EU as a trading partner, we have to accept there will be a compromise and some cost. You may call that leaving in name only. 

Leaving without a deal means we have to negotiate with the likes of the USA, who I'm not confident will give us a deal that isn't heavily weighted in their favour. Japan have declined to roll over the EU agreement with us, which can only mean that they think they can make a deal on better terms. Deal will be bad, no deal will be worse. 

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3 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

Maybe you were expecting more than was possible? 

Any deal we got by design would be less than we had as a member. I thought that was pretty self evident, and leave voters had come to terms with the concept of leaving costing us money and leaving us as second class citizens in Europe. 

If we want to keep the EU as a trading partner, we have to accept there will be a compromise and some cost. You may call that leaving in name only. 

Leaving without a deal means we have to negotiate with the likes of the USA, who I'm not confident will give us a deal that isn't heavily weighted in their favour. Japan have declined to roll over the EU agreement with us, which can only mean that they think they can make a deal on better terms. Deal will be bad, no deal will be worse. 

Make of it what you want we can’t leave you can draw up conclusions and try to make sense of it but the bottom line is we stay attached. Our best chance was after the referendum but 3 years on says it all. 

If Scotland won an independence referendum we would just say ok you have had a vote it’s a shame it has come to this here’s a few £ billion to tie you over good luck.

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19 minutes ago, Van Gritters said:

No it’s no joke if we leave it will be by name only. There are too many forces stopping us from leaving.

I should leave them with it .  The whole thing is getting rather tiresome unless you enjoy having your intellect insulted. Let this thread turn into a Lord of the flies situation .  Check back in once in a while to see which version of remain has the conch.

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On 07/09/2019 at 10:15, BaaLocks said:

Kind of this discussion, without the posturing

 

TV program makers' gold - guaranteed ruck between these two. Again, the media thriving on conflict. 

Will needs to watch out though ... does he not know that MF is greatest soldier this nation has ever produced? A steely eyed man of action who's very presence cows the Russian hordes.

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Gritstone Ram

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7 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said:

So you were serious about chem trails?

May be not them but I do think the only way we will be allowed to leave the EU is on their terms which will leave us still attached. Based upon that there is no point in debating anything because I believe the future is already set out. The Brexiteers have had a shot but I’m afraid they have failed mainly due to them not having enough support. All we will get is a watered down version which in my opinion is pointless leaving because we will remove any say we have over policies by doing that.

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