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44 minutes ago, therealhantsram said:

They have missed out the real reason... that the ERG (Boris and co) were playing politics in order to get their man in the leaders job. Brexit could have happened by now.  They have had 3 votes on it. Each time the Brexiteers blocked it.  

Sheryl Crow would call that ironic.

They list reasons why MPs couldn't/wouldn't agree but Labour are just as culpable, with their policy of "come up with a list of unrealistic must-haves which would never in a million years get past the EU, then block everything else to try and force a general election"

Neither side of the house has actually gone about this with the best interests of the country at heart.

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4 minutes ago, eddie said:

It's one of the early steps in the Fascist Playbook - dehumanisation of one group of society and then getting other groups of society to accept said dehumanisation as 'normal'.

The USA have already moved beyond the first stage of fascism with the building of concentration camps. Camps that are being used to imprison not just men and women but also young children in inhuman conditions.

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8 minutes ago, 1of4 said:

The USA have already moved beyond the first stage of fascism with the building of concentration camps. Camps that are being used to imprison not just men and women but also young children in inhuman conditions.

What are you even talking about? 

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17 minutes ago, Uptherams said:

These are not concentration camps and these people can leave, they just can't enter the US. 

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a27813648/concentration-camps-southern-border-migrant-detention-facilities-trump/

Andrea Pitzer, author of "One Long Night: A Global History of Concentration Camps" disagrees

But what does she know? Experts eh?

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6 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said:

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a27813648/concentration-camps-southern-border-migrant-detention-facilities-trump/

Andrea Pitzer, author of "One Long Night: A Global History of Concentration Camps" disagrees

But what does she know? Experts eh?

These people are kept in better conditions than those they have endured to get to this point and even left. Can conditions improve, absolutely. But is that your contention? Or do you think these places shouldn't exist at all? 

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18 minutes ago, Uptherams said:

These people are kept in better conditions than those they have endured to get to this point and even left. Can conditions improve, absolutely. But is that your contention? Or do you think these places shouldn't exist at all? 

Obviously there has to be some sort of facility to house asylum seekers. And there has been from as far back as the Clinton-era and probably earlier

The issue is that the Trump administration is actively working to frustrate the asylum seeking process, leading to increased numbers of people in these facilities, and then deliberately making the conditions as inhumane as possible. Coupled with his aggressive rhetoric branding them as "invaders" - he's basically a monster

 

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4 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said:

Obviously there has to be some sort of facility to house asylum seekers. And there has been from as far back as the Clinton-era and probably earlier

The issue is that the Trump administration is actively working to frustrate the asylum seeking process, leading to increased numbers of people in these facilities, and then deliberately making the conditions as inhumane as possible. Coupled with his aggressive rhetoric branding them as "invaders" - he's basically a monster

 

Wait a minute. You mean they are letting in less people illegally and therefor more end up in these places...so how is that a bad thing? People have the right to apply for asylum and should be treated based on merit and accomodated reasonably, but beyond that what ekse? 

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1 hour ago, Uptherams said:

Wait a minute. You mean they are letting in less people illegally and therefor more end up in these places...so how is that a bad thing? People have the right to apply for asylum and should be treated based on merit and accomodated reasonably, but beyond that what ekse? 

I've said all I need to say in my previous final paragraph. If you want to continue to stick up for an inhumane racist regime then feel free. I'll put you back on ignore.

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Not sure the US or the world can take another 5 years + of Trump.   It's all about 2020 now.

Thinking more long-term, how long before AOC will be president?  Now that's a more pleasant thought!

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39 minutes ago, Highgate said:

Not sure the US or the world can take another 5 years + of Trump.   It's all about 2020 now.

Thinking more long-term, how long before AOC will be president?  Now that's a more pleasant thought!

😂😂😂 Her own party doesn't like her. Why do you think Trump has put her front and center. 

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1 hour ago, SchtivePesley said:

I've said all I need to say in my previous final paragraph. If you want to continue to stick up for an inhumane racist regime then feel free. I'll put you back on ignore.

Are we talking about the current Labour party? 😉

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25 minutes ago, Uptherams said:

😂😂😂 Her own party doesn't like her. Why do you think Trump has put her front and center. 

It's true that she's not well thought of in the Democratic Party, I'm not sure I buy the whole "4d chess" about Trump signal boosting her. He gets baited by her because he's an egotist with little self restraint. Yes, it's currently working in his favour, but I think it's more luck than strategy.

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1 minute ago, Anon said:

It's true that she's not well thought of in the Democratic Party, I'm not sure I buy the whole "4d chess" about Trump signal boosting her. He gets baited by her because he's an egotist with little self restraint. Yes, it's currently working in his favour, but I think it's more luck than strategy.

Maybe, but he loves ratings in general. Refers to ratings and popularity all the time. He mentioned all of their polling. He takes aim at 'loud mouth' people and shows and networks and papers, etc, with bad/slumping polling/ratings. 

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1 hour ago, Uptherams said:

😂😂😂 Her own party doesn't like her. Why do you think Trump has put her front and center. 

Because....like he always does....he plays to his own base. And clearly he is trying to use scare words like 'socialism' or 'progressive' as stigmas to tarnish the whole Democratic Party with. That's why he is putting her front and centre. That's his game plan, and it might work.  But to be criticized by Trump is hardly detrimental to someone's reputation.

Obviously to the people that vote for Trump someone like AOC is terrifying,  For some conservatives in the Democratic party like Biden, she is also far too left wing (but then so are Sanders and Warren among others).  And yet AOC seems to be the only politician in the US who fully grasps just how serious the impending climate catastrophe is and the most energetic in trying to do something about it. 

As far as Trump is concerned the World can burn and the US along with it as long as he and his 1% can continue to increase their wealth. 

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11 minutes ago, Highgate said:

Because....like he always does....he plays to his own base.

Honestly the more I see the that, the more I see why he got elected and will get re-elected. It's analysis from one or two good commentators and the rest of what they say get's completely ignored and the lazy journalists and activists and commentators just run with he's appealing to his base forever and always from then on. Just lazy. 

Andrew Yang is a far better prospect than her for the Democrats. She's drama personified. I'd like to see him have a real good shot at 2024, he's proposing significant changes, is realistic and would garner enough support from the other side of the house to deliver. 

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6 hours ago, therealhantsram said:

They have missed out the real reason... that the ERG (Boris and co) were playing politics in order to get their man in the leaders job. Brexit could have happened by now.  They have had 3 votes on it. Each time the Brexiteers blocked it.  

Sheryl Crow would call that ironic.

Crow might do yeah.

Morrisette wouldn't though as it's actually ironic

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17 minutes ago, Uptherams said:

Honestly the more I see the that, the more I see why he got elected and will get re-elected. It's analysis from one or two good commentators and the rest of what they say get's completely ignored and the lazy journalists and activists and commentators just run with he's appealing to his base forever and always from then on. Just lazy. 

Andrew Yang is a far better prospect than her for the Democrats. She's drama personified. I'd like to see him have a real good shot at 2024, he's proposing significant changes, is realistic and would garner enough support from the other side of the house to deliver. 

Yang is interesting and would be a breath of fresh air after Trump.  Not really sure what you are saying in your first paragraph to be honest.  Apart from predicting Trump's re-election. Which is entirely possible, but I still feel he won't be. 

I hardly think it's fair to single out AOC as being dramatic and not mention Trump, the archetypal drama queen. 

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