G STAR RAM Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: Amen to that - No league table, but feel free to add antifa to it if they ever start killing people I mean - they are pretty terrifying terrorists... As if the Defenders of the Peace would ever consider doing such a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Ok. White nationalists killing people is bad. Antifa killing people is bad. Muslims killing people is bad. No league table on who is worst. All killing is bad. Hopefully that clears up the point. Let's be honest on a forum like this, I dont think it should even need saying. I think I have only ever seen one post on this thread where someone has incited murder. How about Christians? Only kidding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaLocks Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 33 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Hard to know what to believe! Personally, I don't think there's anything new in the fact that politicians lie - twas ever thus. The problem today is that Trump doesn't even concern himself with the truth, and it is something that many other politicians seem to have quickly picked up on, including some on our own little island. Dubya said stupid things, Blair lied (or at the least didn't do his homework), but only recently does the truth not even interest those who are supposed to be our leaders. Rolling news and social media helps exacerbate this to the level where - as you say - nobody knows what to believe and there are fifteeen different versions of it to find out there. The other aspect that Trump has bought is a complete disconnect between public and private life - the tapes of Trump released before he was elected should have been enough to have him thrown out of the race but it just all seemed to be water off a duck's back. Yet get one photo of someone eating a bacon sandwich and it's game over for them. Own the media and you own the story.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Uptherams said: Yep, i genuinely believe he is being kept informed on a daily basis and the strategy is to either foil or uncover multiple plots, by multiple groups and pass some legislation. Fair enough. I can never get my head around the fact that some people don't see Trump as a calamitous obnoxious farce wholly unsuited to be a leader of any country, let alone the most powerful country on Earth. And it's not just some people is it, it's lots of people....some even seem to genuinely like the guy. How is that possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 17 minutes ago, Highgate said: And it's not just some people is it, it's lots of people....some even seem to genuinely like the guy. How is that possible? Separate his mouth (inc tweets etc) from his policies and you'll see why his approval rating is pretty high for a sitting President. If you're an average American the economy is doing pretty good at the moment, unemployment (especially minority unemployment) are at record lows and the far-left has gone off the deep end. All he has to do to get himself re-elected at the moment is to be the lesser of two evils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 2 hours ago, BaaLocks said: Personally, I don't think there's anything new in the fact that politicians lie - twas ever thus. The problem today is that Trump doesn't even concern himself with the truth, and it is something that many other politicians seem to have quickly picked up on, including some on our own little island. Dubya said stupid things, Blair lied (or at the least didn't do his homework), but only recently does the truth not even interest those who are supposed to be our leaders. Rolling news and social media helps exacerbate this to the level where - as you say - nobody knows what to believe and there are fifteeen different versions of it to find out there. The other aspect that Trump has bought is a complete disconnect between public and private life - the tapes of Trump released before he was elected should have been enough to have him thrown out of the race but it just all seemed to be water off a duck's back. Yet get one photo of someone eating a bacon sandwich and it's game over for them. Own the media and you own the story.... Out of interest, how do you decide which which news stories to believe and which are 'fake news'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 43 minutes ago, maxjam said: Separate his mouth (inc tweets etc) from his policies and you'll see why his approval rating is pretty high for a sitting President. If you're an average American the economy is doing pretty good at the moment, unemployment (especially minority unemployment) are at record lows and the far-left has gone off the deep end. All he has to do to get himself re-elected at the moment is to be the lesser of two evils. But people should realize that economics is often quite independent of government policies. The economy was doing great at the end of Obama's reign too. How much of the good economy is to do with the president and how much of it is to do with the prevailing global conditions is anyone's guess. A decade of recovery is about what you'd expect after the deep recession in 2008/09. Also if people are looking at Trump's economic record, why are they not thinking about the spiraling national debt that he is so actively contributing to? Is his approval rating pretty high for a sitting President? Isn't stuck around 41%-42%, isn't that actually quite low for a sitting president with a healthy economy ? I don't even think there is such a thing as a far-left in the US, and those that you describe as such, haven't gone 'off the deep end' in my opinion. If the environment was placed at the top of people's agenda like it should be, then it would be obvious to everyone that Trump's presidency is nothing other than a calamity for the US and for the rest of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 21 minutes ago, Highgate said: But people should realize that economics is often quite independent of government policies. The economy was doing great at the end of Obama's reign too. How much of the good economy is to do with the president and how much of it is to do with the prevailing global conditions is anyone's guess. A decade of recovery is about what you'd expect after the deep recession in 2008/09. Also if people are looking at Trump's economic record, why are they not thinking about the spiraling national debt that he is so actively contributing to? Is his approval rating pretty high for a sitting President? Isn't stuck around 41%-42%, isn't that actually quite low for a sitting president with a healthy economy ? I don't even think there is such a thing as a far-left in the US, and those that you describe as such, haven't gone 'off the deep end' in my opinion. If the environment was placed at the top of people's agenda like it should be, then it would be obvious to everyone that Trump's presidency is nothing other than a calamity for the US and for the rest of the world. Re. the economy I guess most people live in the present - Trump is President, economy and unemployment are good therefore he must be doing something right. As for everything else when the far-left Democrats turn on primetime TV host, democrat and vocal anti-Trump political commentator Bill Maher and call for people to start boycotting his show, it demonstrates another example of the internal war that will cost the Democrats the 2020 election. Any sort of moderate, coherent plan and Trump wouldn't stand a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, maxjam said: Re. the economy I guess most people live in the present - Trump is President, economy and unemployment are good therefore he must be doing something right. As for everything else when the far-left Democrats turn on primetime TV host, democrat and vocal anti-Trump political commentator Bill Maher and call for people to start boycotting his show, it demonstrates another example of the internal war that will cost the Democrats the 2020 election. Any sort of moderate, coherent plan and Trump wouldn't stand a chance. I feel those people should think a little harder then. The democrats are divided, there is no doubt about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Highgate said: I feel those people should think a little harder then. Do you know what usually sets the global economy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 33 minutes ago, Norman said: Do you know what usually sets the global economy? Not really sure I'm qualified to answer that...can I ask why you are asking me such a difficult and apparently random question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbob Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 6 hours ago, Uptherams said: My view, he's waiting for enough intelligence to be gathered to announce several groups as terrorist organisations. Then all centrists can sit back and watch justice be served by the legal system. My view, he's got an election coming up and doesn't want to lose any voters by tarring them with the terrorist brush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbob Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 5 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: I think I have only ever seen one post on this thread where someone has incited murder. Who said that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaLocks Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 2 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: Out of interest, how do you decide which which news stories to believe and which are 'fake news'? If I'm trying to sound clever I would say I ignore those sources I don't trust and then I triangulate around the ones I do. So I largely trust a few media channels and if I have a common thread on there I'll go with it. But, in absolute honesty, I'm likely biased, I have my echo chamber of tweet warriors who tell me the things I believe in and I think most of us go looking for the things they want to reinforce our views. Some of us have ones that tell us Chris Martin is still good to lead the lines, others have ones that tell them that Prince Andrew knew Jeffrey Epstein was a bad 'un. You know that in the MIddle Ages person would consume, in their entire life, the same amount of information as exists in a daily newspaper? I think, rickets and smallpox aside, I would have preferred to have lived back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 48 minutes ago, bigbadbob said: Who said that? Not going to say as really dont see the point. People can make their own mind up about posters without me saying things about them. It was a poster I would describe as a leftie though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 48 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Not going to say as really dont see the point. People can make their own mind up about posters without me saying things about them. It was a poster I would describe as a leftie though! Bloody murderous lefties eh. My money's on that @SchtivePesley fella. He can barely get through the day without inciting 2 or 3 murders. I hate to increase the melodrama further but I think it's fair to say that he's probably killed more people than smallpox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 38 minutes ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said: My money's on that @SchtivePesley fella. He can barely get through the day without inciting 2 or 3 murders. And that's without even doing anything.... If I open my mouth my xM stats go through the roof! 3 hours ago, maxjam said: I guess most people live in the present Eh? Have you not met any Forest fans?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 42 minutes ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said: Bloody murderous lefties eh. My money's on that @SchtivePesley fella. He can barely get through the day without inciting 2 or 3 murders. I hate to increase the melodrama further but I think it's fair to say that he's probably killed more people than smallpox. To be fair to @SchtivePesley it was neck and neck until the anti-vaccine movement took hold ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 All political violence is bad. Always has been, nothing good has ever come from one side or the other persecuting their political opponents. When you look at history though, were the Tolpuddle Martyrs heroes or traitors, (they got 7 years hard labour and transported to Australia for asking for a wage rise), were the first lefties who fought and campaigned for the vote for ordinary people terrorists, traitors or unbelievably brave people who risked everything, including their lives, to try and make a better future for their families. The early pioneers of the vote for all campaigns would nowadays be classed as socialist terrorists for fighting for basic human rights. Less than one hundred years ago the life of an average British person was pretty miserable, no paid holidays, no sick pay, no pensions, no health care, slum housing, poverty, none of those things were changed without the courage to fight the ruling class who controlled the country. Our great grandparents had to fight to make this country a better place for the majority, we cannot even imagine how brave and strong they had to be do that. Are we really going to give it all up The ruling classes, the elite, the people who believe they have an unalienable right to rule the world (whatever you wish to call them), will always use divide and rule to stop the many from forcing the few to act in the greater interest. Yet here we are, in 2019, with right wing think tanks suggesting moving the pensionable age to 75, Politicians actively trying to destroy the one, single system that dragged millions out of poverty and destitution, the Welfare State, just to enable vast profits for a few huge corporations. Can no one see what the big picture is? Its between power and the people. It always has been. The rich and powerful will always do whats right for themselves. I only wish the rest of us would do the same instead of believing the propaganda they spout about all our problems being down to poor people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 On 18/08/2019 at 12:46, ariotofmyown said: Yeah...but...what about Antifa...they are terrorists. Trump said so. I noticed someone mentioned me for bringing up Antifa. I wrote the above in response to a post about Owen Jones getting beaten up by far right thugs/a rival gay gang. If it wasn't obvious already, my post above was lampooning the sort of people who bring up the supposed left wing threat of Antifa whenever some actual violence is committed by a right wing nutter, often egged on by their Proud-Boy-in-Chief Donald Trump. The even cleverer part of my biting satire though was this Antifa thing only seems to exist in the US, which makes it doubly pathetic when it brought up to counter right wing violence in the UK. I honestly didn't pay the AntiAntifa on here some cash to keep the joke going, but thanks for the help guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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