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13 minutes ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said:

have you even seen waghorn play for us.

god bless him but hes like a little dumper truck chugging about and normally in completely the wrong place.

TBH I reckon Waghorn and Lawrence wide and Chris through the middle would easily frighten Championship defences and score a few!

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4 minutes ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said:

have you even seen waghorn play for us.

god bless him but hes like a little dumper truck chugging about and normally in completely the wrong place.

I don't think you can fault Waghorn's effort but he does seem 'off it'. His ability to control the ball, 'read' the game and make the right pass at the right time does not appear to be there at the moment. Hopefully he'll be firing on all cylinders after the break. Waghorn 'coming good' could be the difference between us making the Play-Offs or not.

Martin isn't here currently (unfortunately IMO) so it seems a bit pointless to make comments on him.

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5 hours ago, Srg said:

Actually thought the atmosphere was pretty dire compared to the last few games. 

I missed the Wednesday game, was better than it had been most of the season 

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6 hours ago, Anag Ram said:

Remarkably high scores for a nil-nil home draw against a mediocre Stoke side but the pattern is right. Holmes and Lawrence gave us a bit of impetus at least, even though the execution wasn’t always there.

I did think it writing it tbh but on another day it’s a 3-0 win we just couldn’t score

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3 minutes ago, 1967Ram said:

I don't think you can fault Waghorn's effort but he does seem 'off it'. His ability to control the ball, 'read' the game and make the right pass at the right time does not appear to be there at the moment. Hopefully he'll be firing on all cylinders after the break. Waghorn 'coming good' could be the difference between us making the Play-Offs or not.

Martin isn't here currently (unfortunately IMO) so it seems a bit pointless to make comments on him.

i think waghorn is pretty ok but out of sorts as you say....all of our attackers confidence seems at a low ebb for whatever reason.

i think our attackers management has been lamps definite weak spot and whther thats down to mason being absent,injuries or lack of gametime is a mystery but they are all struggling at the moment.

our defence has massively improved from watching the last few matches so its time to concentrate on the front three.

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12 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

TBH I reckon Waghorn and Lawrence wide and Chris through the middle would easily frighten Championship defences and score a few!

Think Martin would work better with Marriott than Waghorn personally. Martin was at his best when he had quick players around him like Russell and ward who would stretch the game and mean they’d be more space for Martin to operate. 

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2 hours ago, Steve How Hard? said:

Nice to see the old Martin bashers out. Bit strange they seem to revel in mocking him. It makes me wonder what he ever did to upset them. 🤔

Tbf who’s actually bashing him? I’ve only seen people saying he isn’t the answer right now, which unless you’re one of the couple of deluded Martin super fans, is clearly the truth. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t a good player, just that he wouldn’t make any difference to our team now. Marriott and waghorn are 100% better players than him now, out of form but to suggest Martin is better (faster😂) than those two at present is laughable.

A few years ago yes but those days are gone and I think a few on here need to get that in their head so they stop unfairly criticising our current players because their name isn’t Chris Martin and they want their beloved back...

 

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4 hours ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said:

Pretty pointless bringing waghorn in then if that's the case.

He's even less mobile than Martin.

I'd suggest,in response to your final point,that all of the strikers need to be playing regularly both for their match sharpness and so that the rest of the team supporting them have half a clue what they are up....Marriott and waghorn are both suffering from that problem.

Personally think Waghorn is more mobile than Martin, I’d probably agree that neither he or Marriott are as good as playing that lone striker role, however I don’t think Martin is a player that looks good coming off the bench as he needs match sharpness.

Plenty of players are the same, they need to be playing week in and week out, otherwise they lose their match sharpness or fitness or both. This for me is why Martin hasn’t got regular game time recently, and why he also struggled earlier in his career, he needs a run of games and isn’t an impact sub.

I don’t think he is finished, is any less mobile than when he was playing at his peak, but unless he finds a team to fit his style of play and make him the focal point of the team, he will continue in the vain he has done recently.

I also don’t think he is the answer for us either, because of these reasons, doesn’t make me a hater, thought he was one of the best forwards in a derby shirt I’ve seen, however I also liked Rob Hulse and also don’t think he is the answer either.

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12 minutes ago, Millenniumram said:

Tbf who’s actually bashing him? I’ve only seen people saying he isn’t the answer right now, which unless you’re one of the couple of deluded Martin super fans, is clearly the truth. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t a good player, just that he wouldn’t make any difference to our team now. Marriott and waghorn are 100% better players than him now, out of form but to suggest Martin is better (faster😂) than those two at present is laughable.

A few years ago yes but those days are gone and I think a few on here need to get that in their head so they stop unfairly criticising our current players because their name isn’t Chris Martin and they want their beloved back...

 

I'd probably bracket myself as a super fan of his but definitely not deluded. It's pretty obvious that his time here is done unfortunately. That doesn't stop me appreciating what he did whilst here. Without getting drawn in the whole debate once again, I just don't get the smug derision that some seem to thrive on. @AdamRam seems to sum the situation up the best in his post above. I'm probably being too idealistic thinking we could just all appreciate his past efforts, wish him the best and move on. I realise that is never gonna happen though. 

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2 hours ago, RoyMac5 said:

You've not seen him playing for Hull then? Looks pretty mobile (and even thin!) Scored last night too, sort of chance Nuge has been missing...

I have nothing against Martin, but he scores his second of the season and is heralded as the messiah. I didn't want him gone but things like this are madness. I'd rather we looked to the future.

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14 minutes ago, BondJovi said:

I have nothing against Martin, but he scores his second of the season and is heralded as the messiah. I didn't want him gone but things like this are madness. I'd rather we looked to the future.

Who is heralding him as a Messiah - typical response, wild extremes! I said he'd be good/better than Nuge playing with Waghorn and/or Marriott. Our current strikers haven't exactly set the League on fire. He's a clever player, why shouldn't he be in our future? He's a year of his contract left here as far as we know. Ditching players because they've been here a while or haven't been utilised properly seems the easiest thing to do. Buy a new one then - £5m spent on Waghorn. Rehabilitating Brad,  shows it can be worth trying the 'old'.

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58 minutes ago, Steve How Hard? said:

I'd probably bracket myself as a super fan of his but definitely not deluded. It's pretty obvious that his time here is done unfortunately. That doesn't stop me appreciating what he did whilst here. Without getting drawn in the whole debate once again, I just don't get the smug derision that some seem to thrive on. @AdamRam seems to sum the situation up the best in his post above. I'm probably being too idealistic thinking we could just all appreciate his past efforts, wish him the best and move on. I realise that is never gonna happen though. 

Trust me I’d want that as well, it’s just it’s either extreme that bothers me. Those saying Martin would fire us to the top two are talking tripe, but equally those who say he was always poo are also talking tripe. Appreciating what he was and moving on is what we all need to do, either end of the spectrum.

Think the more important debate is on our current strikers and whether we need an upgrade in the summer or not cause there’s certainly debate around their current form to be had.

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Anyway, back to the footy from last night: If only for an extra inch here or there, or an extra inch less here or there! We had 4 shots on target which Buckland got his sticky little hands on, we hit the woodwork twice and had two shots go less than an inch past the post. On another night it could have been 4 - 0 to the mighty Rams!

I missed the first 15 minutes after driving up from Cornwall in my HGV - thanks Boss. I know we didn't win, and we didn't score (the two might be related), but I was satisfied because yet again, there was progress. What caught my eye was that we were pressing and harrying much better last night - not always snapping into the tackle, but getting in their faces pretty well, to the point that on numerous occasions we forced them to go from attack all the way back to Buckland. Admittedly, they weren't too bothered about the attacking side of the match, but we didn't let them settle.

Lawrence was the best we have seen in ages, including tracking back, so maybe the rest while recovering has done him some good. I don't think anybody had an off-night last night, although some reckon Harry Wilson to be below his best. Although many of his challenges are a bit light weight, he never gives up. And he came into his won once we changed to playing the ball on the floor instead of long into the channels. He also seemed to get a bit of licence to roam and cut into midfield, linking play together. Stand out was Bogle who had MacLean in his pocket for all but one of the 90 minutes. He was very accomplished both defending and attacking, although crosses were in need of a little work.

Strangely for me I thought the ref did reasonably well, which is one hell of a complement coming from me! He didn't do much to stamp out the thugging and underhandedness which is Stoke's game, but only missed out when Lawrence was taken out in the first half, signalling no foul when he had both legs whacked from under him, needing several minutes treatment, and a red for an elbow/arm in the face of Wilson(?) in the second half.

As I said, it is great to see the team making progress and improving. Whether it is enough for a promotion push I don't know, or whether it is in preparation for next season maybe - in which case it is more a case of progress for Frank and Jody, who may well have a rather different squad to work with next season. It would be good to see us being quicker to shoot, and quicker to the second ball. Lawrence coming back has shown us what we have missed in his absence, and Mount is to come back soon, so putting all this together, who knows what we could end up achieving?

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12 hours ago, Premier ram said:

our lack of cutting edge and inability to score off crosses has managed to get us into a play off position though hasnt it ?

Not for much longer, and we have had a reliance on individual brilliance. Getting into the play offs also doesn't mean anything as on current form we won't stand a chance of winning them. With Mount back things could change, but I am not convinced at all in the ability of any of our strikers to be able to play as a lone striker, none can win headers and they don't have the hold up play we need.

 

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2 hours ago, WAGHORNY RAM99 said:

Not for much longer, and we have had a reliance on individual brilliance. Getting into the play offs also doesn't mean anything as on current form we won't stand a chance of winning them. With Mount back things could change, but I am not convinced at all in the ability of any of our strikers to be able to play as a lone striker, none can win headers and they don't have the hold up play we need.

 

Huddersfield managed it without winning a game and were awful in the last 10 matches .  We did it in 2007 whilst in poor form .  Blackburn beat us and only just scrapped in.  Hull and QPR were dog****.  The key to playoff success does tend to come down to being solid in defence so that could be our undoing.    playoffs generally come down to who holds there sphincter in check not form.

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