North East Ram Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 14 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: Ain’t my job to give an overview of a game tho, if it was I wouldn’t be giving my opinion as much. This is the place for opinions, not a radio coverage designed to tell fans what’s happening. Bit of an opinion now and then is fine, but like I saw if Ed Dawes wants to give his opinion all the time he should join here I like Dawes / Ramage etc. However, I’d like to point out that you’re perfectly entitled to celebrate a Derby goal yet not be enthralled by the performance of the player who scored it. That’s the paradox, joy and frustration of following a team. Otherwise you’d hear a pin drop when Sammon used to bag the odd last minute winner! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuffLuff Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 For what it’s worth I think he’s talking about a collective negative attitude and talk of the February curse etc that put unnecessary pressure on. It’s the smart arse ‘oh here we go again’ effect that’s become ingrained. Local media play a role in that, it’s easy listens/click bait but it’s not really helpful. But also it’s the fans clicking on those articles, ringing up radio derby and remarking about it online that fuel it. So I think some of the Radio Derby baiting here is a tad unfair when we can look at ourselves too. Maybe we just all need to change the agenda a bit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 22 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: Ain’t my job to give an overview of a game tho, if it was I wouldn’t be giving my opinion as much. This is the place for opinions, not a radio coverage designed to tell fans what’s happening. Bit of an opinion now and then is fine, but like I saw if Ed Dawes wants to give his opinion all the time he should join here We don’t set out the job criteria, Radio Derby do that and offering an opinion with insight is what they want from him? Ultimately anyone in the entertainment history will be judged on viewers/listeners and he’s been in the job for a number of seasons now, what does that tell you? I also doubt Ed would join this forum, he has a platform which he can air his views on whilst being paid for it. Although it would be interesting to see if people would post the same directly to him. It’s ok having an opinion on his commentary but does get personal at times, which we have removed, no need for that at all, he is a Derby fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Eagle's Barmy Army Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 9 hours ago, Hector74 said: I like listening to radio derby after the match they have they own opinions and there derby fans too. They not paid or employed by derby county so they dont have to toe the party line. Your right, they don’t have to but they could help our cause in trying to stop negativity and provide support for the club. Aftersll, we should all be as one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRBee Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 This has become an anti-Radio Derby thread - ignoring the fact that many posters have been posting that our post-Christmas dive in form is inevitable and is the 'Derby way'. Frank has certainly complained about people with this attitude cos there is nothing inevitable about it. Accepting this idea creates the negativity Frank is on about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamLad1884 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Chris Sutton made a good point this week that Liverpool 'bottling' it might be the fans, not the player or the manager. I think to an extent its similar here. Start of the season when we were flying, going one nil down to anyone would be a shrug and keep going. Now some, and I do mean a minority by that, turn to meltdown. We as fans seem to expect failure and surely that can't help anything. The media is jumping on this and making a story out of it. Not saying the players have no fault in this either, but it's unfair to put all the blame on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 1 hour ago, David said: We don’t set out the job criteria, Radio Derby do that and offering an opinion with insight is what they want from him? Ultimately anyone in the entertainment history will be judged on viewers/listeners and he’s been in the job for a number of seasons now, what does that tell you? ...that he works for the BBC? A public service organisation which would not get rid of someone unless they had committed gross misconduct. Its hard to understand that ed dawes' tweet that @angieram posted which was targeted at her and her friends. It is certainly not very pleasant. You'd have thought that has come from a forest fan. Very strange. Not a very nice guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 3 hours ago, ThePrisoner said: For what it’s worth, I thought Ed Dawes was decent when’s Eric Steele was on with him a few months ago. Ramage is a bad egg. Pre-match Ramage was giving recent performances some understandable stick but said it was unfair to single out individual players. In the next breath he started slating Johnson, Huddlestone and a couple more.The guy's a buffoon! Dawes gets swept up in Ramages' diatribe and becomes even more unprofessional - good to hear Martin Fisher before the game which was like a breath of fresh air after listening to those other two. Sadly, if you want team pre-match info on the radio there's no alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 44 minutes ago, DRBee said: This has become an anti-Radio Derby thread - ignoring the fact that many posters have been posting that our post-Christmas dive in form is inevitable and is the 'Derby way'. Frank has certainly complained about people with this attitude cos there is nothing inevitable about it. Accepting this idea creates the negativity Frank is on about. Very true. I don't like the finger pointing even if Radio Derby were the intended target of Lampard's words. See comments like "I will support them in the ground 100%, but when I come online I will let off steam and vent my frustrations" That steam creates an atmosphere, an atmosphere that we all live in online throughout the week, by time Saturday rolls round we're half beaten because it's February, the Derby way, bottlers, wobblers. This forum and Twitter are just as, if not more guilty for spreading negativity and peddling this February wobble, it spreads, and Lampard isn't the first manager to tell us the players feel it, like him or not Rowett has said exactly the same thing, even players that are new to the club. It's now part of the meme culture, for the likes, retweets, attention and becomes that self fulfilling prophecy the club urged us not to create. Players have access to the internet, they see it, don't be naive to think they all spend the day in either Gucci stores or playing Fortnite. Other fans see it as well, other players Sean Morrison, they sing about it, taunt us, because we've all created this annual collapse and given a new meaning to "The Derby Way" which should have been something more positive to associate the club with. So whilst we're taking credit for the atmosphere for last night, how great the fans are, this isn't the time to look down on others for their negativity. Now I know some will be thinking, don't bring me into this, I'm talking about our online fanbase in general which I include myself in as a Derby fan. Finally, a moderator asked if we should delete the Sack Frank thread the night it went up, my response was we can't, which he agreed but the frustration over it's existence was shared between us. I probably more than most feel responsible for this platform and question what the hell have I created here? I admitted I wanted to rename it, something less damaging but again, we're not here to police opinions, just ensure they are put across in a civil manner. You see we often get accused of removing negativity which is laughable given the content over the last few weeks, but we have to allow fans views good and bad, that's the purpose of a forum. We're not all going to agree on who should play left back, or who should be signed but theres ways to go about discussing opinions as adults without the keyboard slinging. It's hard though, really hard to sit here and read it, calling for a managers head whilst we're sat 7th in his first season in charge. It's also hard to read other fans feel the same, post less, losing the love. To think this forum is partly responsible for that really hurts to be honest because that was never the intention of this forum. We have to be better than this, we have to be more supportive both in the ground and online, remembering that words online can help breed this negative atmosphere just as they can in the ground, same way as those can broadcast over the airwaves. Of course we can criticise going 4-0 down at half time v Aston Villa, we're not going to sit here and clap our hands saying good game this isn't it, but the scapegoating, calling for sackings, constant doom because it's February needs to stop, we can't put rules in place for that nor would we want to. Comes down to us all as individuals to be a little more thoughtful when he hit submit reply or voice their opinions audibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Jayram said: Is this the same Graham Richards who used to spout off about the club so much that he got banned by the club from the BBG? Yeah - by Maxwell so enough said on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayram Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 1 hour ago, CHCDerby said: Your right, they don’t have to but they could help our cause in trying to stop negativity and provide support for the club. Aftersll, we should all be as one. Why should they provide uncritical support for DCFC? The performances have been abysmal recently and the constant team/tactical changes have been baffling. Plenty on here are happy to slaughter individual players week after week regardless of their performances but apparently its not ok for the local media to offer an opinion. Ram TV is there for those who don't want to hear anything other than the party line - I'd rather listen to pundits who tell it like it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Frank just want us to get behind the team Radio Derby are right behind the team when we are doing well . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 2 hours ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said: I like the radio Derby coverage...I don't always agree with the comments but they are passionate, especially ramage,which I appreciate. I've listened to some other teams local radio and it can be very dull indeed. Shame if the choice is between dull (and factual) or passionate (and a load of baloney). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 2 hours ago, David said: We don’t set out the job criteria, Radio Derby do that and offering an opinion with insight is what they want from him? Ultimately anyone in the entertainment history will be judged on viewers/listeners and he’s been in the job for a number of seasons now, what does that tell you? I also doubt Ed would join this forum, he has a platform which he can air his views on whilst being paid for it. Although it would be interesting to see if people would post the same directly to him. It’s ok having an opinion on his commentary but does get personal at times, which we have removed, no need for that at all, he is a Derby fan. He gets paid??? WOW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 4 hours ago, Stroker Ace said: Ramage is a fan. And he reacts to what he sees developing in front of him just like the rest of us. He lives in the moment and his passion shows through. Was anyone confident of turning Villa over with a midfield that had never played together before, including a kid who’d been hauled off at halftime in his last game against Southampton? I certainly wasn’t and we got what we deserved. That was Franks fault pure and simple and Ramage called him out on it as many of us did. RD aren’t negative they are fans of Derby County and for the most part call it as it is. Frank getting spiky about it is good because it shows his passion. He needed to vent a bit and as he’s shown he won’t call his players out. ED was saying that Ramage was squirming in his seat as they took their last free kick. I was too, Lampard was looking away and all three of us where thinking “don’t ducking go in” Well they are absolutely nothing like me or anyone I go with. I don't get me knickers in a twist at every opponent attack. I don't say "We keep giving the ball away" after 1 bad pass in 15. I don't cry about a referee decision that I think looked dubious from my view 70 yards away. Like @LazloW. I often hear their analasys and wonder what game they were watching. They're big cry babies and Ramage could witness 10 Derby chances to 1 opponent chance and he'll make it sound like we are in deep trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Wolfie20 said: Shame if the choice is between dull (and factual) or passionate (and a load of baloney). Thing is RD read out texts and emails which they may not agree with but are obliged to do. The fans go over the top when we lose but that’s often frustration. Everybody thinks they know best. Truth is the manager has to make the decisions which he thinks is best for the team and the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 As posted in the thread, the Sack Frank thread is an embarrassment. As was the rage directed at the players at full time v villa. at the start of the season, at the fans forum, the message to frank was "we wish you well, if we get promoted great, but its not the end of the world to us if we don't". Same message still applies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 12 hours ago, rynny said: Ramage in response to radio Derby being called negative said that if he wanted to pretend everything was all rosy he would just go work for RamsTV. Obviously tension is building between the club and RD. Oh he certainly doesn't pretend everything is rosy. I wish I could go back to the Mac 1 games where his commentary was on the playback of the full 90. I could rip his commentary to threads. Absolute whinge hysteria. As bad as the bad match day threads on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, RamNut said: As posted in the thread, the Sack Frank thread is an embarrassment. As was the rage directed at the players at full time v villa. at the start of the season, at the fans forum, the message to frank was "we wish you well, if we get promoted great, but its not the end of the world to us if we don't". Same message still applies. That’s football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 48 minutes ago, Wolfie20 said: Shame if the choice is between dull (and factual) or passionate (and a load of baloney). There's a lot of dull baloney on local radio as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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