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Just now, Ramet said:

Papers bless them anything to sell o story however there is a little truth and the its to do with the losses it is deffo close to 3mil a month.

However f.lampard was very much aware of the situation when he signed to come here and also what was required of him and his staff. 

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18 minutes ago, Wolfie20 said:

Some people will believe anything they read in the media, whether it's newspapers, radio or the various social media platforms. Some posting that they think it's the truth (or close to their unsubstantiated opinion) keep droning on and on, picking up any little tit bit which might make others come round to their way of thinking.

I feel it's highly unlikely that any forum member knows the real situation and even less likely some hack from the Daily Mirror or a radio station such as Talk Sport, after all they need rumours and gossip to fuel their fire otherwise they may as well shut up shop.

I dont think anyone is saying what has been written in the papers is true, all that is being done is posters having a discussion around the stories that have come out.

Do you know the ins and outs of what happens on the training ground, injuries, form etc...and if not, would you therefore apply the same argument to discussion around the way the team plays, formations, selections etc..or just accept this is a forum and is designed as such for things like this to be discussed ?

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13 minutes ago, StivePesley said:

Well you'd expect anyone who buys us for £1 to do their due diligence and understand the monthly running costs. If they want to put £xmillion in per month going forward then that's up to them

What I'm saying is that past "loans" by MM to fund the running costs have no correlation to the actual value of the club. You can't say that the club gets £3m per month more valuable can you? The fact MM is reportedly offering the club for £1 to anyone who will pay back his loans suggests that the value of the club has surpassed the amount he has already lent

The other option would be to sell for £1 to anyone willing to take on the future running costs. MM then sits on his loan and asks for the money back when we get promoted

 

I know and I'm not overly worried it was just the comment 'Not necessarily an issue for us as fans' when actually it could be a problem.  Anyway I think we sort of agree.

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30 minutes ago, KCG said:

So, the answer is NO then. I thought so. Are you an expert on FFP? Are you an expert on Mel's finances? Are you in the know about his mindset?

All these questions apply to everyone else who considers themselves an expert.

We might or might not be in serious financial trouble. I don't do uninformed conjecture, but many here do, so it seems.

Sorry. Just point scoring as anticipated then.  I am an expert in my field and have never claimed to be anything else - unlike your sociable mate. It may be of interest to note that I never tore into anyone elses financial opinion on here .  I have never claimed to know Morris mindset or be an expert on FFP or indeed his finance's. 

Anything else . Still need that accountant's number or maybe a personality coach . Never know you might shine .

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32 minutes ago, Spanish said:

I know and I'm not overly worried it was just the comment 'Not necessarily an issue for us as fans' when actually it could be a problem.  Anyway I think we sort of agree.

Yeah I think we do - reading back and my comment about it not being an issue for the fans was meant purely in terms of it not being us who lent the money in the first place. Agree that it may become an issue for the fans if the club goes bust or ends up being run into the ground because MM gets sick of keeping it afloat

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All the panic and outrage, yet if some fans found out that there was 3 quid left over after smartly complying with FFP, they’d be calling for Mel to jack it all in for being a tight wad.

We’re probably FFP savvy / on the line BUT ONLY THANKS to Mel’s ‘investment’ - just like at least half of other clubs in the championship with aspirations on promotion. Where the buggery do fans think all these clubs get their money from? Tickets and replica kits?! A bit like a runner for PM candidateship, you need a benefactor or sponsor etc who believes in you. You do that with the understanding it might not work but you really want it to work and will give it everything you can. Otherwise, we’re prudent, sustainable and bob between the championship and league 1 like Millwall, but with a nicer ground, fans and scut. 

MM cannot win. Even if we go up, there’ll be those prophesising doom as ‘not good enough to stay up’, ‘we need £5000m investment in players. Yesterday’ etc.

Football fans are to club chairmanship what pundits* are to insightful analysis!

 

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Now Mel might be looking to sell one of two thing will happen. We will get promoted this season via the playoffs or we will get promoted the season after he sells it. Mel has been trying to get us promoted since he bought the club and has been unsuccessful.

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4 hours ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

I am an expert in my field and have never claimed to be anything else 

You can type that anonymously on the internet until your fingers ache but no-one is going to believe you without proof - Until then you're in the same boat as the rest of us - Speculating an opinion on a forum based on (for all we know) naff all

I have absolute faith that won't bother you in the slightest but I think that's why people feel comfortable disagreeing with you

3 hours ago, StivePesley said:

Yeah I think we do - reading back and my comment about it not being an issue for the fans was meant purely in terms of it not being us who lent the money in the first place. Agree that it may become an issue for the fans if the club goes bust or ends up being run into the ground because MM gets sick of keeping it afloat

I actually think IF Uncle Mel was selling having the 'loan' hanging over the new owners would be kind of a safety net - Any time they look like going a little bit '3 amigos' on us Mel calls in the loan - They wouldn't be able to pay it and therefore would have to hand back the club to pay off the debt

 

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19 hours ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

No, I do have a degree in business economics and an Msc in financial forecasting, obviously this involves reviewing a lot of profit and loss account's and balance sheets.  I could have completed the AAT when I was twenty five as I could have gone straight to the final year, decided I couldn't be arsed as I didn't really need it with the other stuff.  I was quite a late developer regarding further education to be honest and didn't really bother till I turned 19. Far to much fun to be had in the world of nightclub promotion.

 

 

What nightclub?

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4 hours ago, KCG said:

So, the answer is NO then. I thought so. Are you an expert on FFP? Are you an expert on Mel's finances? Are you in the know about his mindset?

All these questions apply to everyone else who considers themselves an expert.

We might or might not be in serious financial trouble. I don't do uninformed conjecture, but many here do, so it seems.

Do you have to be a qualified accountant to interpret a set of accounts?

I'll agree with you on the FFP part because it quite simply isn't possible to translate accounting loss to FFP loss based purely on the accounts avaluable in the public domain.

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12 minutes ago, bigbadbob said:

What nightclub?

Mostly house music clubs - Cream (amnesia ), Renaissance, and a couple of others.  Got boring come end of 97 when it became a bit to pretentious  and very expensive.  Sort of lost it's soul.  Got into it via a warm up DJ I knew at Progress who was from Manchester.

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I dont mind mel. Said it before i genuinely think he has the best intrest of the club at heart even though ive not always agreed with some of decisions. 

Im not too fussed about how much he’s spent its not my money. Go big or go home & it looks like its time to go home. 

In his time he might have spent a few quid & might be pushing FFP to the limits. But every season in his time here ive been filled with optimism about our chances of going up. Every transfer window is filled with hope & we have competed in each window. The sacking of managers etc its all been exciting & entertaining. 

Even though we are still in the same division ive enjoyed his time as chairman. Its miles better than tightening the belt, running as a business, signing players from scotland reserves & knowing we are not going to go down  or challenge playoffs but turning a profit 

If he leaves he probably leaves the club with better facilities & a higher profile in the footballing world than when he took over 

I just hope if he sells it goes to a mental billionaire that wants champions league football in three years & not another jeremy keith & the boys.

Ideally I want to see mercenaries like carlos tevez on £200k a week in the championship storming us to 100 plus points & steam rolling sides 7-0 

 

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6 minutes ago, G-Ram said:

I dont mind mel. Said it before i genuinely think he has the best intrest of the club at heart even though ive not always agreed with some of decisions. 

Im not too fussed about how much he’s spent its not my money. Go big or go home & it looks like its time to go home. 

In his time he might have spent a few quid & might be pushing FFP to the limits. But every season in his time here ive been filled with optimism about our chances of going up. Every transfer window is filled with hope & we have competed in each window. The sacking of managers etc its all been exciting & entertaining. 

Even though we are still in the same division ive enjoyed his time as chairman. Its miles better than tightening the belt, running as a business, signing players from scotland reserves & knowing we are not going to go down  or challenge playoffs but turning a profit 

If he leaves he probably leaves the club with better facilities & a higher profile in the footballing world than when he took over 

I just hope if he sells it goes to a mental billionaire that wants champions league football in three years & not another jeremy keith & the boys.

Ideally I want to see mercenaries like carlos tevez on £200k a week in the championship storming us to 100 plus points & steam rolling sides 7-0 

 

My thoughts exactly, with Lamps here as manager that has got to be a big pull for foreign investors.

I don't want a safe sale to a Peter Marples or Gadsby, I want a Russian Billionaire who will get you promoted on the Saturday and feed polonium sandwiches to his enemies on the Sunday.

Surely it's Derbys turn to have some of this luck that Chelsea, City, Leicester, Wolves have had and get us back to where we belong.

Sadly though I expect a Sam Rush type bloke who made his millions selling milk bottles with pictures on.

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1 hour ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

Mostly house music clubs - Cream (amnesia ), Renaissance, and a couple of others.  Got boring come end of 97 when it became a bit to pretentious  and very expensive.  Sort of lost it's soul.  Got into it via a warm up DJ I knew at Progress who was from Manchester.

Some of my old haunts back in the day, I probably know you. I started to fall out of love with it about the same time.  Became a bit too commercialised and mainstream so lost the edge a bit. Up the rams

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On 05/03/2019 at 17:58, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said:

Absolutely..if Mel made any mistakes it was allowing Pearson and then rowett to come in and attempt to change our footballing style and ethos so dramatically instead of going with a manager that would refine and hone the team we already had in place.

Pearsons tenure,especially,but worsened by rowetts time here, put our progress so far back and we are still dealing with the consequences and fall out from it.

 

Just so correct. 

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5 hours ago, cheron85 said:

You can type that anonymously on the internet until your fingers ache but no-one is going to believe you without proof - Until then you're in the same boat as the rest of us - Speculating an opinion on a forum based on (for all we know) naff all

I have absolute faith that won't bother you in the slightest but I think that's why people feel comfortable disagreeing with you

I actually think IF Uncle Mel was selling having the 'loan' hanging over the new owners would be kind of a safety net - Any time they look like going a little bit '3 amigos' on us Mel calls in the loan - They wouldn't be able to pay it and therefore would have to hand back the club to pay off the debt

 

I have to be honest.  If you have a choice of telling a stranger your profession and can tell them anything,  forecasting future trends for business isn't the way to go .  If were playing this game can I be a big wave wider from Hawaii instead.

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Is next week's fans forum gonna be like this?  I might not bother, if it is!

I like Football.  I love DCFC. But I prefer to "concentrate" (That's an overstatement, to be fair!) on what's going on on the pitch, and the comings and going's of the playing/coaching staff.

All this politics, finance, and boardroom stuff neither interests me, nor excites me.  I don't deny 90% goes over my head anyway, but even if I did understand any of it, there would be absolutely naff all I could do about it, being just a run of the mill long time supporter, who likes to shout himself hoarse of a saturday afternoon.

I'm all for others discussing it of course (so most certainly not knocking this thread per sé), but it ain't for me... and if next week's fans forum is going to run along similar lines, I might just politely decline their kind offer.

 

Apologies... probably not the best thread to have posted that in!  

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23 hours ago, Tim Bucktoo said:

What an absolute load of tosh is being spouted in the news. There’s so called ‘sources’ saying we’re losing £3m per month. Sources? BS?

Now talksport have a whole segment about FL and the demise of Derby. And to substantiate this ‘story’ they get James Nursey of the Daily Mirror to state that:

FL is known to be off in the summer - probably Chelsea as they have a transfer ban and he’ll nurture the youth talent.

FL has Derby playing an attacking and exciting brand of football (not for a while imo) but contradicts himself by saying how we are playing poorly (nearer the truth).

MM is desperate to get out of Derby as he’s losing millions per month and most of our players are either leaving or looking to leave in the summer.

Oppo fans are all singing about our annual implosion (he heard a rude song at notts).

Then you read this journo’s recent story online and you begin to see the story fitting the narrative. Speculation and conjecture with a wild hope that some of the forecasts come true. If you throw enough poo etc etc.

Plenty of mentions again of ‘our sources said’ and ‘Mirror Sport understands’. 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/staggering-amount-derby-owner-mel-14167830

Spouting vague balls 24/7 used to be the job of ‘the bloke down the pub’. Now it’s a profession. 

I listened to this also, it was like listening to a 10 year old's idea of a football club.  Get the facts right!

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Find it hilarious and sadly fashionable to say Rowett “destroyed” the team etc when we were pretty much one game away from the Premier League last season..... still folk living that Mac 13/14 dream......

 

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4 hours ago, Mucker1884 said:

Is next week's fans forum gonna be like this?  I might not bother, if it is!

I like Football.  I love DCFC. But I prefer to "concentrate" (That's an overstatement, to be fair!) on what's going on on the pitch, and the comings and going's of the playing/coaching staff.

All this politics, finance, and boardroom stuff neither interests me, nor excites me.  I don't deny 90% goes over my head anyway, but even if I did understand any of it, there would be absolutely naff all I could do about it, being just a run of the mill long time supporter, who likes to shout himself hoarse of a saturday afternoon.

I'm all for others discussing it of course (so most certainly not knocking this thread per sé), but it ain't for me... and if next week's fans forum is going to run along similar lines, I might just politely decline their kind offer.

 

Apologies... probably not the best thread to have posted that in!  

I would be disappointed if the Fans Forum concentrated on this aspect of the club at the expense of what's happening on the pitch, although I am sure it will get an airing.

If you don't want it to dominate, you need to go prepared to ask the questions you would like answers to.

I can't influence that, as I haven't been invited!

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