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4 hours ago, RamNut said:

What matters is what we thought of those signings at the time. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

malone - i didn't really know him, but we needed another left back. Our first choice seemed to be joe bryan but we got priced out of that one with villa and fulham both ahead of us in the race. Barry Douglas might have been a better option. He went to Leeds but got injured early on. Max Lowe is nowhere near good enough. Verdict : good enough for mid-table only.

holmes - i knew him from the boxing day game away at huddersfield. Clearly has potential. He is smaller than i rememember, and a better player. This is the sort of signing we can genuinely afford. Although i can't yet tell what his best position is, his versatility is an added bonus. Verdict: good signing.

evans - i'd never heard of him. Googled him to find the 30 yarder he scored for man city. Similar to holmes in that he is the sort of lower cost signing we should concentrate on. And also similar in that i have no idea about his best position. Reminds me of Don o'riordon - a centre half who we played briefly in midfield. He went on to have a good lower league career. Might yet make a central defender although lack of pace could be an issue. Verdict Worth perservering with. Maybe not as the fulcrum of the midfield.

waghorn - i thought he was overpriced and i would not have paid that fee for a 27/28 year old. Furthermore unless we were going to play two up front we were going to struggle to accommodate him and marriott. It felt like an Arthur Cox spending spree kind of signing. At that age we will struggle to recover our money. Verdict - not one i would have bought at that price, and i have been a bit disappointed in him.

jozefzoon - i was surprised when we were linked with him. I assumed it was just agent talk. Having seen brentford numerous times, this was not one of the players who had left a memorable impression. Again i thought the fee was too much for another 27 year old. Same age as johnny russell - this looked like it could be a johnson / butterfield kind of silly-money replacement. He has come through the ajax academy so must have some ability. So far he reminds me of simon dawkins. Verdict - not one i would have bought at that price, and another i have been a bit disappointed in.

Marriott - i didn't know him. Was slightly dubious as he'd only really had one good season. Looked too small. Probably not a player i would have bought. However his attitude is great. He is like another kev wilson / bobby d. Still not sure whether he can play up front on his own but he has been the best of the bunch. Verdict - i wouldn't have signed him but i think he's done ok. 

At the end of the season, i'd would probably be trying to sell malone, jozefzoon, and waghorn or trade for someone better.

the more interesting question is who?

Agree with all a part from flo jos comparison to simon Dawkins. Dawkins was and still is completely underrated by a lot of Derby fans for his time at Derby. Went off the boil and mainly down to personal reasons but if you go back and watch our goals in 13 14 and 14 15 ( look at martins for example on YouTube) he plays a part in many of them. His close ball control and link up was extremely useful in macs style. Yet he got criticised for not taking the ball to the byline and crossing it enough when he wasn't an out and out winger. I don't think flo jo possesses the same intelligence as Dawkins and if he does he doesn't show it anywhere near enough. He did look threatening against millwall and in patches against forest. Haven't seen villa but can't imagine he did much. Overall agree that he isn't good enough and we overpaid. 

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25 minutes ago, cannable said:

Evans hasn’t been bad, people’s expectations of him have been Pirlo when in reality he’s Eustace

He certainly seems to be getting a lot of criticism, and written off, for a lad who's started only 5, yes FIVE(!!!) games this season. Standard.

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32 minutes ago, cannable said:

Evans hasn’t been bad, people’s expectations of him have been Pirlo when in reality he’s Eustace

No, you mean useless.

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8 minutes ago, Ramos said:

Agree with all a part from flo jos comparison to simon Dawkins. Dawkins was and still is completely underrated by a lot of Derby fans for his time at Derby. Went off the boil and mainly down to personal reasons but if you go back and watch our goals in 13 14 and 14 15 ( look at martins for example on YouTube) he plays a part in many of them. His close ball control and link up was extremely useful in macs style. Yet he got criticised for not taking the ball to the byline and crossing it enough when he wasn't an out and out winger. I don't think flo jo possesses the same intelligence as Dawkins and if he does he doesn't show it anywhere near enough. He did look threatening against millwall and in patches against forest. Haven't seen villa but can't imagine he did much. Overall agree that he isn't good enough and we overpaid. 

Flo Jo possesses no intelligence whatsoever. I think he’s an awful footballer. Doesn’t run behind, wants it to feet, threatens to take players on but actually doesn’t. Crossing terrible, can’t kick a ball properly, when the going gets tough he is nowhere to be found, etc

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8 minutes ago, rammieib said:

Flo Jo possesses no intelligence whatsoever. I think he’s an awful footballer. Doesn’t run behind, wants it to feet, threatens to take players on but actually doesn’t. Crossing terrible, can’t kick a ball properly, when the going gets tough he is nowhere to be found, etc

Yea but apart from that

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31 minutes ago, rammieib said:

Flo Jo possesses no intelligence whatsoever. I think he’s an awful footballer. Doesn’t run behind, wants it to feet, threatens to take players on but actually doesn’t. Crossing terrible, can’t kick a ball properly, when the going gets tough he is nowhere to be found, etc

Jozefzoon 19/20 Championship top goal scorer confirmed, stick a fiver on it everyone 😂

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2 hours ago, cannable said:

Evans hasn’t been bad, people’s expectations of him have been Pirlo when in reality he’s Eustace

I’m sorry but he ain’t, he’s a more advanced Alex Pearce. Wooden and unnatural footballer. Not atrocious for a 200k signing, but far too avarege for a team that wants promotion.

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1 hour ago, cannable said:

Some used to say the same about Eustace…

We used to miss Eustace when he didn't play. A young Eustace is exactly what we need now in the midfield. We look a much better team without Evans in it from what I have seen. Hopefully he will improve......

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50 minutes ago, Millenniumram said:

I’m sorry but he ain’t, he’s a more advanced Alex Pearce. Wooden and unnatural footballer. Not atrocious for a 200k signing, but far too avarege for a team that wants promotion.

I think we paid more than that 

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2 minutes ago, Sparkle said:

I think we paid more than that 

Think it was that rising to a million, one of those sort of deals. Fair enough for a youngish backup who could improve imo, no way should be starting regularly tho for me

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5 minutes ago, Millenniumram said:

Think it was that rising to a million, one of those sort of deals. Fair enough for a youngish backup who could improve imo, no way should be starting regularly tho for me

Huddlestone thorne Johnson then Evans in that particular position for me which says it all - then again why do we play anyone in that position because they are stopping nothing 

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7 minutes ago, Sparkle said:

Huddlestone thorne Johnson then Evans in that particular position for me which says it all - then again why do we play anyone in that position because they are stopping nothing 

Not sure I agree with that, a fit Thorne certainly but he’s far from that at the minute, and Johnson is debatedly too kamaikaze tho I can see the argument. You’re right on the second point tho, but that’s a problem with coaching and positioning Imo. 

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Evans - I read some opinions from Royals fans on this guy when he joined and they called it correctly. Basically, they said he was neat and tidy in the middle when the team were playing well, but when the players around him aren't playing well he lacks the ability to have any positive impact on the team individually.

Holmes - I'm very happy with this signing. I think he's acquitted himself very well for his first season at this level and I think there's more to come from him.

Jozefzoon - Underwhelming. Yet another pacy winger who can't find any consistency at our club. Every time he plays a decent game he inevitably follows it up with an absolute stinker.

Malone - Does exactly what it says on the tin. Malone has been around the Championship for a few years, so no one should be surprised by his lack of defensive ability. He was brought in to provide competition for Forsyth and that worked well. At the time I would've preferred for Lowe to compete for the left back spot, but his performances at the turn of the year vindicated Lampard's decision to go for Malone instead.

Marriott - Where would we be without this guy's goals? A very good signing. Has hit double figures despite often being provided with very little help up front.

Waghorn - We got mugged by Ipswich on the fee, but most of us knew that at the time. Unfortunately, transfer fees have become so inflated that 7 million is the going rate for an average Championship workhorse coming off the back of a good season.

 

I know you didn't want to talk about loans, but I want to point out that as per usual our January transfer business was a complete waste of time and money.

Cole - For all the fanfare associated with signing one of England's greatest ever full backs our form hasn't improved, our defence hasn't improved, our mentality hasn't improved. Cole was a world class player, but at 38 is he really offering more than Malone?

King - No one could've foreseen his injury, but if we're honest he didn't look like he was going to be the answer for us in midfield, unless the question was "what would Craig Bryson look like if he was taller and walked everywhere instead of running?".

Ambrose - ???? I hope I'm wrong, but I'll predict that this bloke will barely play and be quietly released in the summer.

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I tend to view newcomers as to whether they add anything to what we've got and help towards an upward progression.  We've carried too many for too long and if FFP is sufficient it is better to be tough now rather than wait until the contract ends.  We've tried that one already.

Evans - nope may come good but from what I've seen so far, sell

Holmes - maybe

Jozefzoon - nope and try to sell

Malone - nope and try to sell

Marriott - yep

Waghorn - maybe but it looks like the only way he will be played is out of position.  Not a good fit with Marriott.  So in balance nope and try and sell

Cole -stop gap, loan not renewed

King - injured but showed nothing in the few chances he has had.  Loan not renewed

Ambrose - too early to say

 

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