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Got one more episode to watch:

Grayson was useless weren’t he? Although Coleman wasn’t much better

They keep talking about the squad being a ‘good group’ but there is literally no camaraderie on show. Steele looks a completely isolated figure. None of them seem like they don’t want to play for the club but there’s no spirit there. Steele’s a good example as he talks about it like it’s a job he hates being in.

Grabban comes across as a right so and so. BUT there’s a major point about the man management he makes which shows up again in the Gibson case. Gibson obviously needed support from the club and help which he didn’t seemingly get.

They all try, but it’s pretty obvious it’s a sinking ship. Deluded fans, managers who don’t really appreciate the difficulty of the task, a chief exec who has no answers, Lee Camp. They keep thinking they are a premier league club and that they’ve hit rock bottom when it could get so much worse.

Like to see more about the Rodwell situation, they paint him as a hate figure which seemed a bit one sided at the very least.

The church scene feels set up and weird. 

And that chef travelled all the way to Derby and stayed on the coach!!!!

Sunderland fans are great *cuts to scenes telling everyone under the sun to F off and hand gestures everywhere.

 

All in all its an ok doc. A bit long and I’m not sure it’s producing what it’s original intention was (ie passionate fans and a badly run club, sometimes the fans are ridicliois and the club are doing all they can). It’s a mess. Also the song on the credits is absolutely terrible

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On 19/12/2018 at 13:34, RadioactiveWaste said:

Started watching, it's quite enjoyabe and I know it's going to get bleak - but - will it get as bleak as the classic "Leyton Orient - Club for a fiver" documentary?

 

Just watched this. Don't know the ins and outs of it but it does show how brutal the game can be when things aren't going right. Engrossing if uncomfortable watch in any case so thanks for posting it.

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2 hours ago, 86 points said:

Just watched this. Don't know the ins and outs of it but it does show how brutal the game can be when things aren't going right. Engrossing if uncomfortable watch in any case so thanks for posting it.

The coach in that went on to be a black cabbie after that I believe. I remember being shown that quite a few years ago and in so many ways it seems it was a forerunner of what happened to quite a few clubs when the money simply stops coming and how staff get caught up with trying their best whilst players don't G. A. S.

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Cracking to see the insight into a club, there’s a second series going on too in there league 1 venture

could you imagine a series on Derby, like THAT 1 season!

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First up, cracking documentary series on Netflix - if you haven't you should.

 

Some really interesting points in there that can help resolve many discussions often held on here, namely:

- If players don't want to leave then they won't (Jack Rodwell). Just saying you want to shift them out isn't as easy as it sounds.

- You can't just go out and sign players, even the ones you want

- Interesting comments from Coleman that it is the attitude and performances on the training pitch that decide who plays on Saturday

- Banging on about your club 'belongs in the Premiership' is really bad for your health

 

General:

- Coleman comes across as a really decent bloke with his head in the right place

 

Some interesting points relating specifically to Derby

- The Mackem scouts went to watch Duane Holmes at Scunthorpe but decided they could "find better"

- Chris Martin rejected a loan move to Sunderland in the Jan window last season before he went to Reading

- Jason Steele nearly came here on loan, I guess we recalled Roos from Plymouth instead of doing that one. Steele is now at B&HA.

- Looking at just how bad that Sunderland team were really puts that 4-1 defeat at home to them into perspective. For me, the worst home performance in years

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2 hours ago, BaaLocks said:

First up, cracking documentary series on Netflix - if you haven't you should.

 

Some really interesting points in there that can help resolve many discussions often held on here, namely:

- If players don't want to leave then they won't (Jack Rodwell). Just saying you want to shift them out isn't as easy as it sounds.

- You can't just go out and sign players, even the ones you want

- Interesting comments from Coleman that it is the attitude and performances on the training pitch that decide who plays on Saturday

- Banging on about your club 'belongs in the Premiership' is really bad for your health

 

General:

- Coleman comes across as a really decent bloke with his head in the right place

 

Some interesting points relating specifically to Derby

- The Mackem scouts went to watch Duane Holmes at Scunthorpe but decided they could "find better"

- Chris Martin rejected a loan move to Sunderland in the Jan window last season before he went to Reading

- Jason Steele nearly came here on loan, I guess we recalled Roos from Plymouth instead of doing that one. Steele is now at B&HA.

- Looking at just how bad that Sunderland team were really puts that 4-1 defeat at home to them into perspective. For me, the worst home performance in years

not even second string there - they were playing David Button (ex-Fulham and Brentford?) in the cup replay the other night.

 

seems bringing Roos back was sensible

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I think it captured (unintentionally) how there is this huge global Premier League thing....

Which is kinda like a huge con like the Wizard of Oz...cos when you drop out; behind the curtain of noise,  glitz, pomp and show....you see the reality which is something totally different.

Its a relatively small number of hard-core fans, pushing their limited budget to watch the team. There are the real local people who are working in the kitchens, the boot room... and there are some decent players who quietly go about their business  ...but ultimately move on. 

It fact its all pretty mundane and 'normal'. To be honest it would have to be for Simon 'no personality' Grayson to be leading the club!!  

In some ways it took away some of the elusive magic of football. Results notwithstanding it definitely wouldnt have converted me to football if I wasn't a fan.  The bit where they beat us (!) was the only bit where you would have imagined why you would even bother. Definitely showed how the fans are the club and the rest is just circumstance. 

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On 19/12/2018 at 23:34, RadioactiveWaste said:

Started watching, it's quite enjoyabe and I know it's going to get bleak - but - will it get as bleak as the classic "Leyton Orient - Club for a fiver" documentary?

 

Has to be one of the best half time sprays of all time!😂

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