Nuwtfly Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 You guys know the Toral "link" has come from 2019's version of the Henri Lansbury kid , right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inter politics Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Clarke, Bielik (please!) & Toral would make things more interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuskus Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 The person on the left of Mel Morris looks like Ramselaar and the one on the right is Matt Clarke ? On the picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Another positive with Toral is that we don’t have to spend hours devising a chant for him. There is one ready made and waiting... Si señor Give Toral the ball And we will score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 If the loan market is the market we are shopping in, can’t we spread the net a bit wider than the Premier League? I’d rather have a top youngster from a top European club than feel like we are Chelsea B. I mean if we want a good young player, surely we should be looking at a club like Porto - where salaries are lower than in England and young players have limited opportunities - who won the UEFA Youth League, or a club of a similar stature? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Keogh will decide who comes in on loan, depending on their driving ability and the car they own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealhantsram Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Jourdan said: If the loan market is the market we are shopping in, can’t we spread the net a bit wider than the Premier League? I’d rather have a top youngster from a top European club than feel like we are Chelsea B. I mean if we want a good young player, surely we should be looking at a club like Porto - where salaries are lower than in England and young players have limited opportunities - who won the UEFA Youth League, or a club of a similar stature? Ask yourself this... Why would Porto want to send a top young player to the Championship? ... and that's why we can't have nice things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, therealhantsram said: Ask yourself this... Why would Porto want to send a top young player to the Championship? ... and that's why we can't have nice things. Top clubs send their prospects to foreign leagues all of the time. At the end of the day, if you don’t ask, you never know. I am not saying it’s the answer - we have all seen how well the Forest and Benfica connection has worked out - but there’s no harm in using our imagination if we are looking for a bargain. I think you are doing the Championship a disservice too. It’s a good standard when compared to Portuguese second division football, which is what most of the top youngsters at Porto would be reduced to playing, or playing at the lower end of the top division on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 17 minutes ago, Jourdan said: If the loan market is the market we are shopping in, can’t we spread the net a bit wider than the Premier League? I’d rather have a top youngster from a top European club than feel like we are Chelsea B. I mean if we want a good young player, surely we should be looking at a club like Porto - where salaries are lower than in England and young players have limited opportunities - who won the UEFA Youth League, or a club of a similar stature? Why do you feel like we are Chelsea B when we haven’t signed anyone from Chelsea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Just now, EnigmaRam said: Why do you feel like we are Chelsea B when we haven’t signed anyone from Chelsea? I don’t feel like we are Chelsea B. Not yet, at least. But a lot of people seem satisfied to go back to Chelsea and get the pick of their youngsters due to the Lampard connection. Personally I would hope we could be more imaginative than that. There’s no argument that Chelsea have a top class youth system, but there are other clubs across Europe who possess exciting young players too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Just now, Jourdan said: I don’t feel like we are Chelsea B. Not yet, at least. But a lot of people seem satisfied to go back to Chelsea and get the pick of their youngsters due to the Lampard connection. Personally I would hope we could be more imaginative than that. There’s no argument that Chelsea have a top class youth system, but there are other clubs across Europe who possess exciting young players too. I guess if they have the right type of player we are after then that’s good enough irrespective of ties etc. if they are good enough to improve us where does it matter they come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 15 minutes ago, EnigmaRam said: I guess if they have the right type of player we are after then that’s good enough irrespective of ties etc. if they are good enough to improve us where does it matter they come from? Fair point. Ultimately it doesn’t. I guess I just don’t want to feel like we owe Chelsea something, and I definitely don’t want Lampard taking credit away from Cocu, if we sign 2-3 of their prospects and they play a key role in any potential success we have. Because that’s how the media will frame it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desirelines Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 55 minutes ago, Jourdan said: If the loan market is the market we are shopping in, can’t we spread the net a bit wider than the Premier League? It could be that getting a young lad from abroad to settle in England is a tougher and therefore a little riskier than someone whose been playing in England for a while. But I get your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Sounds like there’s two deals done waiting to be announced. Either that’s them, or their agents. I’d suggest the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, desirelines said: It could be that getting a young lad from abroad to settle in England is a tougher and therefore a little riskier than someone whose been playing in England for a while. But I get your point. Having lived abroad all alone at a very young age, I completely understand what you are saying. There is a big risk attached and homesickness and culture shock are very possible. But it really comes down to the club and how much of a support network they put in place. That said, every signing is a gamble and I don't think that should deter us from casting the net a little wider. I mean should we get to the Premier League, we can't rely on those same clubs to help us out and we are going to have to start shopping in different markets. We might as well give ourselves a head start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, Jourdan said: Having lived abroad all alone at a very young age, I completely understand what you are saying. There is a big risk attached and homesickness and culture shock are very possible. But it really comes down to the club and how much of a support network they put in place. That said, every signing is a gamble and I don't think that should deter us from casting the net a little wider. I mean should we get to the Premier League, we can't rely on those same clubs to help us out and we are going to have to start shopping in different markets. We might as well give ourselves a head start. They have that player liaison officer to look after all the nuts and bolts of settling. But that's no substitute for knowing what topics to spout off about in the Stoat and Ferret on a Sunday afternoon....? I can imagine coming from a very family based culture would be difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 21 minutes ago, Jourdan said: Having lived abroad all alone at a very young age, I completely understand what you are saying. There is a big risk attached and homesickness and culture shock are very possible. But it really comes down to the club and how much of a support network they put in place. That said, every signing is a gamble and I don't think that should deter us from casting the net a little wider. I mean should we get to the Premier League, we can't rely on those same clubs to help us out and we are going to have to start shopping in different markets. We might as well give ourselves a head start. Actually if we’d got to the Prem we would have been in a better position to sign Tomori and Wilson. That would go for other loans aswell, just wouldn’t be able to play against parent clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 hour ago, therealhantsram said: Ask yourself this... Why would Porto want to send a top young player to the Championship? ... and that's why we can't have nice things. They wouldn’t because there are no drug laws in Portugal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Just seen Brentford are after a winger for £1.8 mil. We need to get in quick as he will be worth £15 mil this time next year! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, HantsRam said: They have that player liaison officer to look after all the nuts and bolts of settling. But that's no substitute for knowing what topics to spout off about in the Stoat and Ferret on a Sunday afternoon....? I can imagine coming from a very family based culture would be difficult. It’s true that the Portuguese and people from Southern Europe are very family centric, and young people are often overly protected and supported by their parents. But if we are being specific, the Portuguese are very sociable people and their level of English is improving rapidly. They are also very ambitious and very driven and the younger generation in particular understand that invariably their prospects will be better abroad. So while I can understand the reservations the club might have, I personally think it’s a risk worth taking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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