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5 minutes ago, therealhantsram said:

Likely to be like this effort at the Minesota Vikings. No structural steel required. Cheap. Lightweight. Permanent. Translucent. 

Grass still grows as light gets through all the year round. 

 

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What!! Grass can grow under glass?!?! What like in a greenhouse. Madness! ?

@Doodle !!!

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17 minutes ago, FindernRam said:

Ignore DCFC fans then: So they somehow manage to set up 5 major events over the summer (when we need to let the pitch regenerate), say 50000 punters. That's £20 quid on top of whatever they charge for the event. Derby cannot  draw those sort of crowds and make that sort of money. Sorry but that's the facts. We can't fill the theatre, Quad, or Velodrome!  

But what has all that got to do with season ticket prices? (per your original post "not on my season ticket thank you")

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29 minutes ago, 86 points said:

Yeah, makes you wonder how Glastonbury can get 140,000 folk at £150 per ticket into a field where there's nothing but livestock mooching around for the other 360 days a year. Nuts huh! 

Yeah cos Mel Morris is suddenly about to create a new festival in a football stadium in, let's be honest, the 3rd city in the East Midlands when it comes to the arts, when there are already too many music festivals over the summer, and this is going to be comparable to GLASTONBURY - the biggest festival in the UK, which has been going for decades, and this is going to be possible just by putting a roof over the pitch?

Righto.

 

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12 minutes ago, JoetheRam said:

Yeah cos Mel Morris is suddenly about to create a new festival in a football stadium in, let's be honest, the 3rd city in the East Midlands when it comes to the arts, when there are already too many music festivals over the summer, and this is going to be comparable to GLASTONBURY - the biggest festival in the UK, which has been going for decades, and this is going to be possible just by putting a roof over the pitch?

Righto.

 

Not really what I've said is it mate but top post anyway! ?

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1 hour ago, FindernRam said:

Ignore DCFC fans then: So they somehow manage to set up 5 major events over the summer (when we need to let the pitch regenerate), say 50000 punters. That's £20 quid on top of whatever they charge for the event. Derby cannot  draw those sort of crowds and make that sort of money. Sorry but that's the facts. We can't fill the theatre, Quad, or Velodrome!  

I think you should forget the Summer. As you say, the grass needs to regenerate. And any event in Derby would be competing with all those established events. 

But what about mid Sep to end of May when there are no stadium gigs in this country due to weather. During those months a stadium with a roof has the market all to itself. 

A stadium gig is set up in a couple of days and torn down in a few hours. 

In the Premier league, with very few midweek games you could easily put on a gig on an away weekend. Or in the international breaks. Or even in the new mid season break. 

 

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34 minutes ago, therealhantsram said:

I think you should forget the Summer. As you say, the grass needs to regenerate. And any event in Derby would be competing with all those established events. 

But what about mid Sep to end of May when there are no stadium gigs in this country due to weather. During those months a stadium with a roof has the market all to itself. 

A stadium gig is set up in a couple of days and torn down in a few hours. 

In the Premier league, with very few midweek games you could easily put on a gig on an away weekend. Or in the international breaks. Or even in the new mid season break. 

 

We once did a job at Roker park where we put up a large open ended aluminium marquee with a stage straight after a match on a Saturday afternoon. This probably took us about 90 minutes to do and the lighting and sound people worked alongside us, then we returned the following morning and took it all down again. This was for a charity concert and not on the scale of the big concerts you see, but we were basically a Marquee company and didn't have the proffesional set ups the specialist companies have now.

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1 hour ago, JoetheRam said:

Yeah cos Mel Morris is suddenly about to create a new festival in a football stadium in, let's be honest, the 3rd city in the East Midlands when it comes to the arts, when there are already too many music festivals over the summer, and this is going to be comparable to GLASTONBURY - the biggest festival in the UK, which has been going for decades, and this is going to be possible just by putting a roof over the pitch?

Righto.

 

Ah, but if there's a roof over the stadium, we can be the first to host a festival in the winter.

 

(We would just need a few of them big blowy heaters.)

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5 minutes ago, ossieram said:

We once did a job at Roker park where we put up a large open ended aluminium marquee with a stage straight after a match on a Saturday afternoon. This probably took us about 90 minutes to do and the lighting and sound people worked alongside us, then we returned the following morning and took it all down again. This was for a charity concert and not on the scale of the big concerts you see, but we were basically a Marquee company and didn't have the proffesional set ups the specialist companies have now.

A lot of racecourses do something similar laying on gigs after the last race so they can keep the crowds on the course and spending money. Works very well and provides meaningful additional revenues for the course and a cracking day out for the punters.

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It makes sense for Pride Park to be used more for major events such as concerts. It's a big stadium and takes money from the corporate side but I am surprised it hasn't been used more for major bands. Nottingham tends to attract the big names but Derby can also- RHCP/ Rod Stewart. Imagine every summer, there could easily be more income generated through big name acts when the stadium is hardly used.

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5 hours ago, MackworthRamIsGod said:

What if Pride Park is being lined up to share with another team?

Rather than hosting concerts could it go onto host American football games, not sure if a roof is necessarily needed for that but still?

Seems unlikely considering Spurs’ new ground is going to be used for NFL a lot and it hasn’t got a roof.  Also be surprised if NFL would want to go outside major cities.

I still don’t fully believe this (about the roof) but Mel splitting the stadium from the club does smack of bigger ideas for the stadiim as a separate ‘business’ with an asset it needs to ‘sweat’ more.  Only downside of that is that it then relies on the goodness of Mel’s heart to put any funds derived from that back into the playing side of the club (I have no reason to doubt this will be the case, just no guarantee that say getting a few quid from hosting the worlds biggest antiques fair under the new roof will necessarily help fund DCFC).  

Edit: thinking about it, I imagine that places like the NEC or similar could probably host bigger antiques fairs in more appropriate surroundings, so probably not what Mel is thinking about after all!  This kind of woolly thinking is what happens when you can’t sleep!

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5 minutes ago, ThePrisoner said:

I genuinely (might be wrong) didn’t think safe standing increased capacity as there is still a seat, it’s just locked. 

I thought the same, but apparently it's 3 standing to 2 seats.

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1 hour ago, ThePrisoner said:

I genuinely (might be wrong) didn’t think safe standing increased capacity as there is still a seat, it’s just locked. 

Not quite correct, it boosts capacity, but capacity is reduced for games where the seats need to be used (European games, for example).

Main issue with converting the stadium is the stadium isn't made steep enough, so you'll definitely struggle to see. In the numerous games abroad I've been to and stood, the stands are noticeably steeper.

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12 hours ago, therealhantsram said:

Likely to be like this effort at the Minesota Vikings. No structural steel required. Cheap. Lightweight. Permanent. Translucent. 

Grass still grows as light gets through all the year round. 

 

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You say "No Structural Steel Required".... I worked at the Steel Fabricator that did the roof and trust me, there's loads of steel in that roof. The Trusses alone were over 3,000T

The Air Roof idea being banded about or a lightweight fabric roof would be more likely. A Glass roof would be fantastic but way too expensive

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1 hour ago, Sweetness34 said:

You say "No Structural Steel Required".... I worked at the Steel Fabricator that did the roof and trust me, there's loads of steel in that roof. The Trusses alone were over 3,000T

The Air Roof idea being banded about or a lightweight fabric roof would be more likely. A Glass roof would be fantastic but way too expensive

I could probably have picked better wording. In Minesota, half the stadium roof is traditional construction, half is ETFE - so yes lots of structural steel was needed in that instance, and so it was a bad example.  A better example would have been the Dunedin Stadium in New Zealand.  This is an aluminium frame just sitting on top of the stadium roof.   I was trying (poorly it seems) to point out how lightweight these new types of roofs are and how it would likely be possible to retrofit an aluminium roof of this kind onto PPS with no new structural steel.

But I think you do misunderstand what the Minesota Stadium roof is... it *is* an Air Roof. It's not glass panels. It has panels of polythene-like ETFE "pillows".  Air is blown into the pillows - either warm or cold to help the stadium reach the desired temperature inside.

 

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