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1 hour ago, SouthStandDan said:

I don't understand why people want to get involved in violence. What are you trying to prove exactly? Just go and enjoy the game.

To a tiny minority the game is irrelevant - it's just the vehicle they use. Fairly sure we have some of these idiots amongst us.

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2 hours ago, cheron85 said:

I 'dated' a girl fro m Liverpool at uni and she had truly wonderful breasts - So I've always been rather found of the scousers - But then I try not to judge an entire group of people based only on the experience of one... Except Leeds fans, there's obviously something wrong with them...

 

2 hours ago, King Kevin said:

This thread is useless without photos.

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You're welcome.

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3 hours ago, cheron85 said:

I 'dated' a girl fro m Liverpool at uni and she had truly wonderful breasts - So I've always been rather found of the scousers - But then I try not to judge an entire group of people based only on the experience of one... Except Leeds fans, there's obviously something wrong with them...

So you’re saying not every scouse necessarily has a spectacular breasts as that one particular scouse.

That’s a bit disappointing. I almost wanted to actively seek out scousers and get to know them (sort of a scouser outreach programme). But I won’t bother if they’re not all guaranteed to have great boobs. 

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3 hours ago, cheron85 said:

...she had truly wonderful breasts - So I've always been rather found of the scousers...

Did your fingers swell up, just thinking about her?   

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3 hours ago, Smyth_18 said:

Sort of irrelevant to what the thread intended but i'd just like somebody to clear up what i have never been able to get out of my head, no matter how hard i have tried.

I'm not saying it to be controversial, i just genuinely want a convincing explanation.

Why aren't a minority of Liverpool fans blamed in any way, shape or form? Some people turned up to that game despite being warned not to go if you don't have a ticket. Still to this day there are quite a lot of Liverpool fans doing the same with fake tickets at away games in Europe. (Probably other fans do it too, i just seem to see a lot bragging about it).

The huge majority of those Liverpool fans, the families and the city are indeed victims.

Unfortunately as long as this blame game goes on, i don't think the deceased can truly 'Rest in Peace'.

Not one person intended for this disaster to happen. It's absolutely tragic & will never be put right, whoever is locked up or blamed.

I get what you’re saying. 

Youre sort of not allowed to say it, and it certainly pails in comparison to the ineptitude and gross incompetence of the authorities and media in the situation, but there will be more than a couple of Liverpool fans who were not faultless in the situation. 

Probably not enough to make a big deal out of it, it’s probably 98% police, 2% fans or something. But it annoys me that it’s not really allowed to apportion even an iota of blame to the fans.

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45 minutes ago, TigerTedd said:

So you’re saying not every scouse necessarily has a spectacular breasts as that one particular scouse.

That’s a bit disappointing. I almost wanted to actively seek out scousers and get to know them (sort of a scouser outreach programme). But I won’t bother if they’re not all guaranteed to have great boobs. 

Paul Jewell had some massive knockers on him.

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15 minutes ago, TigerTedd said:

I get what you’re saying. 

Youre sort of not allowed to say it, and it certainly pails in comparison to the ineptitude and gross incompetence of the authorities and media in the situation, but there will be more than a couple of Liverpool fans who were not faultless in the situation. 

Probably not enough to make a big deal out of it, it’s probably 98% police, 2% fans or something. But it annoys me that it’s not really allowed to apportion even an iota of blame to the fans.

Totally agree.

I don't doubt for one minute that there were some that were hell-bent on gaining entry any which way they could, with or without a ticket.

I don't doubt for one minute there were some who were too drunk, too aggressive, or too frustrated to act a little "out of character", when that opportunity arose.

I don't doubt for one minute there were some that went purely for the craic, and no doubt hoping for a bout of fisticuffs at some stage.

 

...But I sat and watched the whole tragedy unfold before my very eyes (Live on TV), at what started out as "enjoyable watching" (I've already hinted at my prior dislike of scousers), as it seemed it was kicking off... yet again... in the Liverpool end!  But slowly... oh so slowly... it became evident this was something else... something "a little scary"... then slower still, something so horrifying, so stunning, so shocking. 

I never moved from that screen for 4 hours solid.  I lost count of the times I muttered to myself "There but for the grace of God go I".  I couldn't move if I had wanted to.  This was too close to home.  They were all doing what I was normally doing on a Saturday afternoon (although clearly I wasn't at OT that afternoon).  I was watching total strangers... but was seeing myself, and my mates.  I sat, I watched, I cried.

 

I don't doubt for one minute that nobody went to Hillsborough on that day, to kill and injure.

I don't doubt for one minute that everyone who died, every one who suffered, and everyone who lost loved ones, did so as innocent victims.

RIP The 96.

xxx

 

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29 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said:

Totally agree.

I don't doubt for one minute that there were some that were hell-bent on gaining entry any which way they could, with or without a ticket.

I don't doubt for one minute there were some who were too drunk, too aggressive, or too frustrated to act a little "out of character", when that opportunity arose.

I don't doubt for one minute there were some that went purely for the craic, and no doubt hoping for a bout of fisticuffs at some stage.

 

...But I sat and watched the whole tragedy unfold before my very eyes (Live on TV), at what started out as "enjoyable watching" (I've already hinted at my prior dislike of scousers), as it seemed it was kicking off... yet again... in the Liverpool end!  But slowly... oh so slowly... it became evident this was something else... something "a little scary"... then slower still, something so horrifying, so stunning, so shocking. 

I never moved from that screen for 4 hours solid.  I lost count of the times I muttered to myself "There but for the grace of God go I".  I couldn't move if I had wanted to.  This was too close to home.  They were all doing what I was normally doing on a Saturday afternoon (although clearly I wasn't at OT that afternoon).  I was watching total strangers... but was seeing myself, and my mates.  I sat, I watched, I cried.

 

I don't doubt for one minute that nobody went to Hillsborough on that day, to kill and injure.

I don't doubt for one minute that everyone who died, every one who suffered, and everyone who lost loved ones, did so as innocent victims.

RIP The 96.

xxx

 

I was too young to know what was going on with hillsborough, so when anyone talks about it, it’s all too far removed for me to think about it so viscerally. Like my granddad telling me war stories. 

But what you’re saying reminds me a lot of what I felt watching 9/11 unfold. I watched that from just after the first plane. 

I remeber findjng it really hard to differentiate that I wasn’t watching a disaster movie, that it was a real film. I actually remember thinking ‘wouldn’t it be cool if the building fell down,’ which would be a spectacular set piece in a Roland Emerich film. And then if did fall down, and I had to remind myself this is live, real footage, of live, real people. And that was very shocking and sobering. 

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1 hour ago, TigerTedd said:

I get what you’re saying. 

Youre sort of not allowed to say it, and it certainly pails in comparison to the ineptitude and gross incompetence of the authorities and media in the situation, but there will be more than a couple of Liverpool fans who were not faultless in the situation. 

Probably not enough to make a big deal out of it, it’s probably 98% police, 2% fans or something. But it annoys me that it’s not really allowed to apportion even an iota of blame to the fans.

It was unfortunately the perfect storm that caused the chaos. 

Without the incompetence of the police/stewards/organisation then there wouldn't have been a disaster. Equally, if there wasn't Liverpool supporters trying to get in without a ticket then there wouldn't have been a disaster. Unfortunately, 96 people that weren't at fault paid the ultimate price due to those factors. It's just a tragedy that will hopefully never happen again. 

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it amazes me how quickly this has turned round to Liverpool supporters , this knuckle dragger supports Everton and from past experience Everton fans have a far nastier and violent minority in their fanbase than Liverpool

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Liverpool were my first 'club' as a kid because I saw them on tv and liked their style of football. I still have a soft spot for them and still like their current style of football. 

I attended matches at Anfield in the 70s where I was made to feel welcome and met Liverpool fans happy to discuss the football.

I haven’t ever been to Goodison Park so I don't know what that experience is  like. However, the only time I have ever been punched at a football match was by an Everton supporter at  a Derby County home match. It wasn’t his fault really as he was aiming at his mate who jumped out the way and left me in the firing line. We were standing in the away end of the Popside at the time. Goodness only knows why; we used to go in there quite often! Anyway, I don't hold this incident against all the other genuine people who support Everton; including my former brother in law.

I very much suspect the man who was knifed at Millwall was looking for trouble and there are some of those people at every club, including ours. They shouldn't be used to criticise a wider set of genuine supporters who are as far removed from such behaviours as you and I.

I suppose all this waffle is just to say, judge the individual, not the group. 

Hillsborough was a huge tragedy that was waiting to happen, due to the laxity of policing and ignoring of safety issues at games in previous times. It could have happened to any club but it happened to Liverpool.  What's most important is that it never happens again.

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11 hours ago, cheron85 said:

I 'dated' a girl fro m Liverpool at uni and she had truly wonderful breasts - So I've always been rather found of the scousers - But then I try not to judge an entire group of people based only on the experience of one... Except Leeds fans, there's obviously something wrong with them...

 

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It's always somebody else's fault - him, not me. Them, not us.

But that's not entirely true - we are somewhat culpable because there are times that we tolerate bad behaviour to a greater or lesser extent - and we qualify it by saying 'it's just laddish' or describe it as 'banter'.

 

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