David Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, Wolfie said: Why punish Nantes? Not really a punishment is it? 2 men lost their lives, would the right thing to do, look after the families who are the real losers in all this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, David said: Not really a punishment is it? 2 men lost their lives, would the right thing to do, look after the families who are the real losers in all this. If you sold a 20 k car on ebay. The buyer comes, picks the car up and crashes on the way home and dies, would you give the 20k to his family? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamRam Posted March 30, 2019 Author Share Posted March 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, David said: Not really a punishment is it? 2 men lost their lives, would the right thing to do, look after the families who are the real losers in all this. It’s a tradegy but I’m not sure why you think either the club or agents are responsible. The question is which insurance company becomes liable for the £17m fee - Cardiff's, Nantes', or is it public liability insurance via the owners of the plane, this is what the legal dispute will be about at the moment. In terms of the player they should have a policy in the case of accidental death although very few will be probably covered to their true value, it’s the same for you or me, same if their career ended through injury for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 46 minutes ago, Paul71 said: If you sold a 20 k car on ebay. The buyer comes, picks the car up and crashes on the way home and dies, would you give the 20k to his family? Football is a completely different world, 20k car would take up the bulk of an average persons yearly salary. We’re talking about football clubs that generate millions. Last season £2.4bn was dished out between clubs, West Brom for example went down with £95m payment, this doesn’t include revenue the clubs also generated. The Sala fee is just £15m. Find it pretty distasteful watching both clubs heading to court possibly wrangling over the fee whilst 2 families mourn their lost ones, one of which was not found. Just think both clubs could and should have settled this privately, look after the families, possibly use some of the fee to setup a charity in their names, anything but this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, David said: Football is a completely different world, 20k car would take up the bulk of an average persons yearly salary. We’re talking about football clubs that generate millions. Last season £2.4bn was dished out between clubs, West Brom for example went down with £95m payment, this doesn’t include revenue the clubs also generated. The Sala fee is just £15m. Find it pretty distasteful watching both clubs heading to court possibly wrangling over the fee whilst 2 families mourn their lost ones, one of which was not found. Just think both clubs could and should have settled this privately, look after the families, possibly use some of the fee to setup a charity in their names, anything but this. What if we end up selling Bogle for £17m this summer and he gets killed? Would you be happy if we wrote the money off? Its not our fault but we’d be punished. One good player down & still in FFP struggles. It’s all very well claiming the moral high ground but it shouldn’t be dependent on whether it can be easily afforded or not & in the real world, that’s what we all pay insurance for. Edited March 30, 2019 by Wolfie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Wolfie said: What if we end up selling Boyle for £17m this summer and he gets killed? Would you be happy if we wrote the money off? Its not our fault but we’d be punished. One good player down & still in FFP struggles. It’s all very well claiming the moral high ground but it shouldn’t be dependent on whether it can be easily afforded or not & in the real world, that’s what we all pay insurance for. I would like to think this wouldn’t ever happen again to be honest, and that we would never sell Susan, not for that paltry fee. Turk Thrust 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbob Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Wolfie said: What if we end up selling Bogle for £17m this summer and he gets killed? Would you be happy if we wrote the money off? Its not our fault but we’d be punished. One good player down & still in FFP struggles. It’s all very well claiming the moral high ground but it shouldn’t be dependent on whether it can be easily afforded or not & in the real world, that’s what we all pay insurance for. Cardiff pay Nantes get transfer fee Agents fees goes to family, agents get feck all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, David said: Football is a completely different world, 20k car would take up the bulk of an average persons yearly salary. We’re talking about football clubs that generate millions. Last season £2.4bn was dished out between clubs, West Brom for example went down with £95m payment, this doesn’t include revenue the clubs also generated. The Sala fee is just £15m. Find it pretty distasteful watching both clubs heading to court possibly wrangling over the fee whilst 2 families mourn their lost ones, one of which was not found. Just think both clubs could and should have settled this privately, look after the families, possibly use some of the fee to setup a charity in their names, anything but this. So how much would you write off? What if it was a 2k car? Or does the value not matter because we dont get the millions clubs do? Derby's turnover is millions but if the same happened having sold Marriott for 10 million does Mel give the money away knowing we have lost an asset we need to replace, and/or need the money to avoid FFP sanctions. EDIT: Sorry similar answer to Wolfies, delete if you want. Edited March 30, 2019 by Sith Happens Just read Wolfies post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Just now, Paul71 said: So how much would you write off? What if it was a 2k car? Or does the value not matter because we dont get the millions clubs do? Derby's turnover is millions but if the same happened having sold Marriott for 10 million does Mel give the money away knowing we have lost an asset we need to replace, and/or need the money to avoid FFP sanctions. ? 37 minutes ago, David said: I would like to think this wouldn’t ever happen again to be honest, and that we would never sell Susan, not for that paltry fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfcfan1 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 15 mill is a lot to cardiff tbh, cant the premierleague step in and pay? or fifa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 1 hour ago, dcfcfan1 said: 15 mill is a lot to cardiff tbh, cant the premierleague step in and pay? or fifa? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inglorius Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 (edited) Surely Cardiff can see how distasteful this whole episode is and how it reflects on their club. Can I add to the above that Cardiff pay the 15 million transfer fee to Nantes, the agent's fees get paid to the relatives of the deceased and also Cardiff get relegated this year to give them opportunity to reflect on what actually matters in this whole episode Edited March 31, 2019 by Inglorius North East Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfcfan1 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 15 mill is a lot to cardiff tbh. Fifa should just step in and pay. 15 mill is peanuts to the premierleague/Fifa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 29 minutes ago, dcfcfan1 said: 15 mill is a lot to cardiff tbh. Fifa should just step in and pay. 15 mill is peanuts to the premierleague/Fifa Why has it got anything to do with fifa or the premier league though? you buy a car, and crash it in the way home before youve insured it. £30k isn’t a lot to the local council, they should pay for your car. also, make your mind up, premier league or FIFA. The idea of a governing body paying on Cardiff’s behalf is nuts, but even if it wasn’t, which governing body is responsible? It’s jusf another court case waiting to happen. solicitors must be rubbing their hands with glee. I know nothing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inglorius Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 1 hour ago, dcfcfan1 said: 15 mill is a lot to cardiff tbh. Fifa should just step in and pay. 15 mill is peanuts to the premierleague/Fifa Well what would have happened in a parallel universe if Sala had played for Cardiff turned out a flop then they had to absorb his huge wages for 3 years loan him out and then he left on a free at the end of his contract? Who would have paid for that? TigerTedd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfcfan1 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 6 hours ago, TigerTedd said: Why has it got anything to do with fifa or the premier league though? you buy a car, and crash it in the way home before youve insured it. £30k isn’t a lot to the local council, they should pay for your car. also, make your mind up, premier league or FIFA. The idea of a governing body paying on Cardiff’s behalf is nuts, but even if it wasn’t, which governing body is responsible? It’s jusf another court case waiting to happen. solicitors must be rubbing their hands with glee. I dont think the governing body is responsible . Just they should do it as a gesture of goodwill. They get are mega rich anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, dcfcfan1 said: I dont think the governing body is responsible . Just they should do it as a gesture of goodwill. They get are mega rich anyway Cardiff will have made a shed load of money this season. pay up you ankers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfcfan1 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 1 minute ago, RamNut said: Cardiff will have made a shed load of money this season. pay up you ankers. Why do they spend duck all then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 10 minutes ago, dcfcfan1 said: I dont think the governing body is responsible . Just they should do it as a gesture of goodwill. They get are mega rich anyway Far more clubs deserving of a hand-out before Cardiff. If they get relegated it's predicted that next season they will receive in excess of £40m - if they survive then they'll get even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 26 minutes ago, dcfcfan1 said: I dont think the governing body is responsible . Just they should do it as a gesture of goodwill. They get are mega rich anyway Richard Branson has a shed load of money, he should pay up as a gesture of good will? in fact, I’ve got a few bills that need paying too. Maybe Richard, or even fifa, could cover them for me. I’ve got even less money than Cardiff, and I’d only ask for a few thousand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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