Sith Happens Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 8 hours ago, Mr Tibbs said: Did Llorente intend to arm/hip it in? He literally has no control over where that ball is going. Fortunate IMO. I don’t think it was handball if that’s what you thought. You have to be in the right place. Cant remember if it was citys 2nd or 3rd goal, took a terrible deflection to go in, otherwise think the keeper would have got it. Luck involved with that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 9 hours ago, Curtains said: Another angle has shown it was handball. Even if it did was it deliberate? I havent seen the other angle, but having seen the one shown on TV nothing about it told me it would be deliberate even if it did glance off his hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 37 minutes ago, Paul71 said: Even if it did was it deliberate? I havent seen the other angle, but having seen the one shown on TV nothing about it told me it would be deliberate even if it did glance off his hand. quite right, quite a few still fail to recognise that there is a need to establish it was deliberate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 39 minutes ago, Paul71 said: Even if it did was it deliberate? I havent seen the other angle, but having seen the one shown on TV nothing about it told me it would be deliberate even if it did glance off his hand. 1 minute ago, Spanish said: quite right, quite a few still fail to recognise that there is a need to establish it was deliberate If it happened next year then the snickometer would be needed I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Was a really great game, but I really dislike the away goals rule. If a game is tied, it should go to added time regardless of how many goals either team scored in the other team's stadium, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Spanish said: If it happened next year then the snickometer would be needed I think Yep change of rule next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 9 hours ago, ariotofmyown said: I think it probably scraped him arm before hitting hip/thigh and going in. This doesn't mean it's handball though. It's not cricket and we are not looking for an snick of the bat to see whether it was caught behind. As for Aguero, he was clearly off so the decision was rightly reversed. I thought the Bryson offside vs Southampton should not have been disallowed though, even though it was offside. VAR is supposed to be correcting obvious errors, not scrutinising every tight decision. The Rose handball in the first match should not be a penalty. Someone needs to sort the rules out. Glad you mentioned cricket because that's what VAR needs to sort it out - a review system. One per half for each team - win it, you keep it. Stops everything stopping for a big decision and looking for fouls/offsides where no one even thought there was one, only referred when captain/manager feel a bad decision has cost them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevin Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 27 minutes ago, SaintRam said: Was a really great game, but I really dislike the away goals rule. If a game is tied, it should go to added time regardless of how many goals either team scored in the other team's stadium, in my opinion. On the other hand discourages teams going away and parking the bus ,so hopefully better games of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Aren't they scrapping the away goals next year? I swear I read that somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, King Kevin said: On the other hand discourages teams going away and parking the bus ,so hopefully better games of football. Fair point. But while that is theoretically true, teams who are liable to park the bus will park the bus home and away anyway. The only time they wouldn't is when they've lost the home leg by multiple goals, in which case they're just worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 12 hours ago, Curtains said: Another angle has shown it was handball. This one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, rynny said: This one? Do you reckon that guy’s a city fan? if it hit his arm, his arm was as close to his body as it could be, and it bounced down onto his leg. Not deliberate, not gaining an unnatural advantage, hands are not in an annuity tal position, not hand ball by any definition of handball in any era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted April 18, 2019 Author Share Posted April 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, TigerTedd said: Do you reckon that guy’s a city fan? Arsenal fan. Seen some claim to have celebrated more loudly Sterling’s goal which was ruled offside more than any Arsenal goal. Bit weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 15 minutes ago, rynny said: This one? if so clearly accidental, no handball. Why is there even a debate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, Spanish said: if so clearly accidental, no handball. Why is there even a debate? No it wasn’t accidental Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 I think it was a goal, he didn't move his hand towards the ball, it wasn't in an unnatural position - it was imo accidental handball and therefore a goal. Next season however the rules are changing, accidental or not no goal will be allowed if it has touched a players hand/arm. A season to late for Man City ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 16 minutes ago, Spanish said: if so clearly accidental, no handball. Why is there even a debate? No it wasn’t accidental Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, Curtains said: No it wasn’t accidental How can you even begin to argue that he meant to hit that with his arm? This is on the FA's website: Quote Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm. The following must be considered: the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand) the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball) the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence Yes there was distance, could still potentially argue unexpected due to coming over players, but point one and three are certainly the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted April 18, 2019 Author Share Posted April 18, 2019 Well I’m glad Curtains isn’t a ref otherwise it would be curtains for football. You would be required to amputate your arms to play the game, don’t see many players being up for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, maxjam said: I think it was a goal, he didn't move his hand towards the ball, it wasn't in an unnatural position - it was imo accidental handball and therefore a goal. Next season however the rules are changing, accidental or not no goal will be allowed if it has touched a players hand/arm. A season to late for Man City ? Correct that will be fairer How do you know what a players intention is ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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