Andicis Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 They're really good technical footballers all of them. I'm having doubts over Mount's place in the team though. He drifts in and out of the game far too much to be a central midfielder, when we need him most to show for the ball and put a tackle in, he goes missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamRam Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 9 hours ago, LB_DCFC said: It's interesting how different people see it differently. The one thing I think mount will always give you is effort and pressing and is the one that i'd say has the has the talent to go the furthest, and has shown it for us, hasn't shown for a while, but i'd think this is more of a dip than what is the norm for him But you don’t always see that on the TV ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ck- Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 They are clearly talented players, but something isn't right at the moment. Mount has had a drop in form, but so did Hughes, who is now performing consistently in Premiership. I think we all have rose-tinted rear view glasses. Wilson is a very attack minded player, but I'm not sure he gives us much in recycling the ball. Our midfield feels lightweight on paper, yet when it all clicks, it works. The early season high press, recovering the ball and moving it quickly relied on players giving options, and that's the bit that seems to be missing right now. Tomori looks a good footballer, but continually loses his man in the danger areas. His interceptions, pace, and passing ability feel more like fullback to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Mount is supposed to support Marriott but that leaves the other two midfielders to control two thirds of the pitch. Which they don't. Until they do then Mount will continue to have quiet games. He and we might have more joy if he played deeper but that doesn't seem Lampard's plan. Marriott is having similar issues too but he does manage to feed off scraps when the ball is punted past them both. The service to the pair of them has got poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo jones Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 So we are now slagging off the 3 YOUNG players, who have basically carried our team into the top 6 along with Marriott’s goals. They are here to gain experience for their parent clubs, and should complement the team we have, expecting them to have to carry our team is exactly the problem. It’s the players around them that aren’t good enough. How good are you expecting Mount or Wilson to be if you never get the ball to them in good positions in the final third? What do you want them to do? Come and get the ball off of the centre backs and play from there? That’s what Hudds/evans/Bryson are supposed to be doing, but aren’t. Who thought Jesse Lingard would be in the England team at the next World Cup when he was here? I doubt anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Key clubber Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 I was initial disappointed with Wilson but he’s really adapted well and looks like he’s going to be some player. Mount really looks like a kid in a mans game at the moment being brushed off the ball , the odd touch of skill , but not anything too get excited about , still prefer Will Hughes on song to him . Tomori at the moment is the one I’m most disappointed about , for a big lad wins very little in the air , tends switch off at vital times and certainly could do with a rest, this all after a very promising start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 43 minutes ago, jimbo jones said: So we are now slagging off the 3 YOUNG players, who have basically carried our team into the top 6 along with Marriott’s goals. TBF theres not many slagging them off. Most are supportive and praising them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 11 hours ago, northantsram said: My take .. Tomori - physical and pacey.. not a bad player but terrible in the air and positionally bad. Won't ever play for Chelsea in the prem unless he can improve those things. Champ at best/ lower prem Mount - Looked the part at the start of the season, think he's got a lot of talent for his age. Has got the potential to dictate a game from midfield and score goals. For some reason he hasn't been getting involved as much going forward. Looks to have taken a whack in form and confidence. Not convinced he will play at the very top level but will likely have a great career in the prem. Haven't even noticed him in quite a few games recently. Wilson - Brilliant left foot and strike, set piece specialist. Has got a lot of end product but some of his play inbetween isn't great, defensively weak and lightweight. Not sure if he will ever play for Liverpool but again will have a good career playing prem and international football. Not sure his best position. Absolutely bang on mate For me tomori is looking more and more like Claude Davis with every week that passes quite honestly phycially strong etc etc but switches off, can’t read situation and is reactive not proactive in his defending and at the moment he’s reacting about 5 minutes after the balls in the back of our net I’d genuinely rather see wisdom at centre back and that hardly enthuses or inspires me either but I think tomori is that bad quite honestly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 12 hours ago, Charlie Dram said: Not really rating any of the 3 loans tbh. Theres the odd wonderstrike from Harry but barring that I'm far from convinced. Don't see any of them having a career at their parent club. Can't do it at Championship level, what makes folks think they're capable at Top 6 Prem?. Young lads I know. Just don't see it. Big no no from me. Is this satire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 10 hours ago, Papahet said: Without them we'd be fooked. I dread what this side could look like in the summer without them and not a pot to piss in. This is what worries me, and I'm starting to think we're wasting this season building the team around them. They're shoring us up, but is that actually preventing us from developing the players and style to take us forward beyond the summer, when they're gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Right let’s just imagine we take all 3 of them out shall we. That leaves us without our top goalscorer and only real threat because we can’t create in open play, our ball playing centre back and the one man in midfield who can get forward. No it’s not the loan players. It’s the pathetic twits around them that run away from challlenges and have the basic touch and passing ability of the local under 5s that are the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkeram7 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 If Tomori had had Ayling, Cooper and Jansson next time him last night you'd have see a world beater. That's my personal opinion, I think the problems are either side of him. I think any criticism of Harry Wilson is ridiculous. For a player who has never even played a full season anywhere to be performing as well as he is shows he has some talent. I've not seen many better strikers of the ball in a Derby shirt. Mount is clearly a quality player although slightly over hyped by the media and his England call up was probably unwarranted. He needs some steel next to him in midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 I started a thread only 2 weeks ago calling into question the 3 loan signings. I've realised that those 3, Holmes and Marriott are the only positives this season so far. It isn't that the loan players aren't good enough, its just that the other players that belong to us are so below par it makes the loan players look poor. Lowe, Keogh, Wisdom, Bryson, Huddlestone, Johnson, Josefzoon, Lawrence just aren't good enough. Bogle has a big future but is still learning. Waghorn I couldn't comment on as Lampard seems so reluctant to play him. Hopefully we see a major rebuilding job in the summer, where absolutely anybody is for sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester40 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 11 hours ago, northantsram said: My take .. Tomori - physical and pacey.. not a bad player but terrible in the air and positionally bad. Won't ever play for Chelsea in the prem unless he can improve those things. Champ at best/ lower prem Mount - Looked the part at the start of the season, think he's got a lot of talent for his age. Has got the potential to dictate a game from midfield and score goals. For some reason he hasn't been getting involved as much going forward. Looks to have taken a whack in form and confidence. Not convinced he will play at the very top level but will likely have a great career in the prem. Haven't even noticed him in quite a few games recently. Wilson - Brilliant left foot and strike, set piece specialist. Has got a lot of end product but some of his play inbetween isn't great, defensively weak and lightweight. Not sure if he will ever play for Liverpool but again will have a good career playing prem and international football. Not sure his best position. Couldn't agree more....although Tomori you could just have ended on 'won't ever play for Chelsea '. Not quite good enough mentally. Not aware of what's going on. One on one he is awesome but not a natural enough talent. Mount is hiding a bit for me. Not showing for the ball, getting knocked off the ball, taking easy options. Needs help and fast. Wilson has scored some of the best goals in Europe...a prospect for that alone. Can I see him displacing Mane at Liverpool...? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irobinson Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 you know - I think Tomori will turn out to be a really talented CB and he is more likely to be the best and realistic for us to buy - him and Davis could be really good As for Mount and Wilson - glamour stuff - but not generally putting a full shift in- will no doubt think they will get in the top 6 prem time will tell on all of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Tibbs Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 33 minutes ago, Lambchop said: This is what worries me, and I'm starting to think we're wasting this season building the team around them. They're shoring us up, but is that actually preventing us from developing the players and style to take us forward beyond the summer, when they're gone? Echo's how I feel. Kinda in no-mans land in that we're not heading in the right direction by playing them all and we're going to have to start from square one in the summer. Mount will play at the highest level but right here right now he's inhibiting our team. That's good for Chelsea in the coming years but not our club. I like Tomori but he's miles off being a good enough defender at this level never mind the level above. Wilson's end product speaks for itself but again leaves a lot to be desired in general play. His goals win us games so at times his luxury can be afforded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VulcanRam Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 I like watching Mount and Wilson, generally poo myself whenever it goes near Tomori, as he indeed does himself. They all need better players around them to flourish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Sam Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 12 hours ago, northantsram said: My take .. Tomori - physical and pacey.. not a bad player but terrible in the air and positionally bad. Won't ever play for Chelsea in the prem unless he can improve those things. Champ at best/ lower prem Mount - Looked the part at the start of the season, think he's got a lot of talent for his age. Has got the potential to dictate a game from midfield and score goals. For some reason he hasn't been getting involved as much going forward. Looks to have taken a whack in form and confidence. Not convinced he will play at the very top level but will likely have a great career in the prem. Haven't even noticed him in quite a few games recently. Wilson - Brilliant left foot and strike, set piece specialist. Has got a lot of end product but some of his play inbetween isn't great, defensively weak and lightweight. Not sure if he will ever play for Liverpool but again will have a good career playing prem and international football. Not sure his best position. Well said matey,refreshing change to see some people can take off those rose coloured spectacles,spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCG Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 14 hours ago, curb said: one defeat and everybody's poo blah blah blah Exaggerate much? A number of us have for sometime been saying that we are imbalanced and that a number of players have not been performing to high or even a consistent level. I've never been a "happy clapper" (you clearly are), or a "wrist-slasher", but I know enough to see that the team is not currently performing very well. You obviously think all our players are great, so how about giving us your ratings of how each player performed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 I think the OP makes valid points so not sure why some of the responses are so aggressive. Tomori - let's be honest, he is a defender who can't really defend. He's good in a race and bringing the ball out but defensively he is so weak. Losing count of the goals he is costing us. For both goals last night he had absolutely no idea where Roofe was. Mount - fantastic at the start of the season but he's been missing for the last 3 months. Right now I'd be starting Holmes ahead of him. Wilson - his goals have been very very important to us and kind of make up for the fact that he does very little in general play. In all honesty if all 3 loans were cancelled tomorrow I wouldn't be that fussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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