McRainy Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, TobyWanKenobi said: Let's not let this issue drag on like a mardy Cardiff fan stuck in a bit of snow. Exactly, we're making ourselves look ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Lambchop said: Bielsa publicises his tactical methods in great detail, and usually gives out his team sheets several days in advance. It's not like he's gaining any information about us which we don't already have about him, so where is the advantage exactly? Because if we had done it we would have known Hernandez and Cooper would be playing for a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambam Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Lambchop said: You/ Frank are alleging that Bielsa is uniquely engaged in a dishonest practice which gives him an unfair advantage. The burden of proof is with you. Er, he admitted it. And stuck two fingers up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Just now, Rambam said: So carry on as before. Just be more covert. Ok What's the alternative? If you were the League, would you want to create a specific offence that you knew you had next to no chance of enforcing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Just now, Lambchop said: What's the alternative? If you were the League, would you want to create a specific offence that you knew you had next to no chance of enforcing? So just force clubs to allow scouts to attend training and have done with it. Level playing field then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rambam said: Er, he admitted it. And stuck two fingers up. But its ok cause Mourinho once hid in a laundry basket according to someone or other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, TobyWanKenobi said: This topic is done and dusted. We complained. Leeds apologised, then they beat us fair and square in the matrch. Let's not let this issue drag on like a mardy Cardiff fan stuck in a bit of snow. Spot on. We weren’t beaten because Leeds knew our tactics. Indeed I would be hard pushed to say what our tactics were. We were beaten because they worked harder, supported their teammates more effectively both in defence and attack and meant it in every challenge. We should never speak of this again. It makes us look bad losers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, Norman said: Because if we had done it we would have known Hernandez and Cooper would be playing for a start. They were given out as 50/50 the day before. Do you know when the decision was made to play them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambam Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Ah screw it. Just cheat. After all everybody else does. While we’re about it, start passing brown envelopes at motorway service stations again. Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Just now, Anag Ram said: Spot on. We weren’t beaten because Leeds knew our tactics. Indeed I would be hard pushed to say what our tactics were. We were beaten because they worked harder, supported their teammates more effectively both in defence and attack and meant it in every challenge. We should never speak of this again. It makes us look bad losers. It isn't the point that we lost. Or how badly or by how much. Just because we were no where near them on the night does not make it any less disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Lambchop said: They were given out as 50/50 the day before. Do you know when the decision was made to play them? The fact they were able to train the day before. Too ducking easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Norman said: It isn't the point that we lost. Or how badly or by how much. Just because we were no where near them on the night does not make it any less disgusting. There is no level playing field in football, nor will there be while the game is dominated by money. Gaining a bit of extra information about the rival team pales into insignificance compared to the widespread corruption at every level. It's almost endearing; someone who's still passionate enough to care about winning by outclassing, rather than outspending, the opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, Lambchop said: There is no level playing field in football, nor will there be while the game is dominated by money. Gaining a bit of extra information about the rival team pales into insignificance compared to the widespread corruption at every level. It's almost endearing; someone who's still passionate enough to care about winning by outclassing, rather than outspending, the opponent. I find diving disgusting, spitting, the morales of many professionals etc etc. I find this disgusting.That wasn't your original point though. The last paragraph sums you up. Words such as endearing and outclassing used. You know how to argue, you're good with words. But nearly always wrong ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsam Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Lambchop said: There is no level playing field in football, nor will there be while the game is dominated by money. Gaining a bit of extra information about the rival team pales into insignificance compared to the widespread corruption at every level. It's almost endearing; someone who's still passionate enough to care about winning by outclassing, rather than outspending, the opponent. Not sure outclassing is the phrase I would use for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Ramsam said: Not sure outclassing is the phrase I would use for this. Don't bite. She used those words for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, Norman said: Don't bite. She used those words for a reason. We were outclassed on the pitch, were we not? Twice Both you and Paul71 have resorted to making personal remarks instead of discussing the issue. This generally means you don't have an argument. As for me being 'wrong', fine, I said it was just my reading of the situation. Shame you can't disagree without attempting to make it personal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Totally disgusting and Cynical act by Leeds. They must have found out Wilson who was a doubt for us wouldn’t play whereas we didn’t know about Hernandez for them who was a doubt before the game but he started . Basically Leeds cheated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossieram Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 So because the dirty lids boss admits that he does this (after the bloke was caught and the car used was found to be owned by dirty lids) he is believed by certain posters because he seemed to be honest during his interview! Do these people also believe that it was all down to the cheating argie git and that the club has no knowledge about this? And just because Frank played under a manager that employed the same tactics doesn't mean he was aware of it or agrees with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Lambchop said: We were outclassed on the pitch, were we not? Twice Both you and Paul71 have resorted to making personal remarks instead of discussing the issue. This generally means you don't have an argument. As for me being 'wrong', fine, I said it was just my reading of the situation. Shame you can't disagree without attempting to make it personal. That’s irrelevant they knew Wilson would be out. We didn’t know about Hernandez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 The Leeds manager must believe it gives his team an advantage to spy on his opponents otherwise he wouldn't go to the trouble of organising it, sending someone out whose judgement he trusts, armed with a pair of pliers ffs! Derby fans in general seem more amused than outraged so I find it strange that some think we should not discuss it? Derby have done nothing wrong, Leeds have. I'm not suggesting any punishment, just making the point that whatever happens, whatever is discussed, Derby are the innocent party in all this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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