Sith Happens Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Lambchop said: Well, it has happened because his own manager openly employed AVB for that very purpose. And who called the police? And has anyone been arrested or charged with anything? Sorry, but to make out that this huge and unprecedented breach of sporting etiquette has occurred is completely disingenuous. Mourinho was smuggled in to give team talks when he was banned ffs! Did Frank refuse to listen because it was against the rules? Smuggled in? Can you prove this also?and by proof i dont mean a link to a daily mail article alledging it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, Paul71 said: Where is your evidence its widespread? Various players talking on Twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Just now, Lambchop said: Various players talking on Twitter. So you have absolute proof? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, Paul71 said: Smuggled in? Can you prove this also?and by proof i dont mean a link to a daily mail article alledging it. https://www.planetfootball.com/nostalgia/jose-mourinho-chelsea-v-bayern-munich-and-that-laundry-basket/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Lambchop said: https://www.planetfootball.com/nostalgia/jose-mourinho-chelsea-v-bayern-munich-and-that-laundry-basket/ Great you post proof which includes the words 'this story has never been verified ' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Paul71 said: So you have absolute proof? Where's your 'proof' that Bielsa gained information which helped him win the game? Where's your 'evidence' that this sort of thing doesn't happen in England, apart from Frank saying so? I'd go with the weight of probability, personally, rather than just accept the narrative we're being fed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambam Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Just now, Lambchop said: Where's your 'proof' that Bielsa gained information which helped him win the game? Where's your 'evidence' that this sort of thing doesn't happen in England, apart from Frank saying so? I'd go with the weight of probability, personally, rather than just accept the narrative we're being fed. So what do YOU think should be done about this. Nothing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Just now, Paul71 said: Great you post proof which includes the words 'this story has never been verified ' I didn't say it was 'proof'; neither of us are in a position to provide proof either way, so your repeated demands for it are a bit pointless. As I say, weight of probability, and make of it what you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rambam said: So what do YOU think should be done about this. Nothing? Exactly what has been done. Both clubs make the appropriate noises, and everyone carries on as before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Lambchop said: Where's your 'proof' that Bielsa gained information which helped him win the game? Where's your 'evidence' that this sort of thing doesn't happen in England, apart from Frank saying so? I'd go with the weight of probability, personally, rather than just accept the narrative we're being fed. So why do it if no gain? I dont have evidence it doesn't go on. But surely to state as fact that frank knows is wrong without evidence? Lets hope you never do jury duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 It's stupid to think no advantage would be gained. There is a reason he turned up the day before. You know who is injured, you know whether the shape of defensive training is to press or contain, or to push out wide etc etc. Even down to set pieces or practising penalties. I think it's disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Lambchop said: I didn't say it was 'proof'; neither of us are in a position to provide proof either way, so your repeated demands for it are a bit pointless. As I say, weight of probability, and make of it what you will. I said provide proof, you cant. As the person alledging guilt you should provide proof not the other way round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Paul71 said: So why do it if no gain? I dont have evidence it doesn't go on. But surely to state as fact that frank knows is wrong without evidence? Lets hope you never do jury duty. Listen to Bielsa's press conference, which I've already posted. For me, Bielsa's straightforward admission comes across with more credibility and integrity than Frank blustering away from a moral high ground which probably doesn't exist, even in his own head. That's just my reading of the situation, which seems to be reinforced by numerous comments from others in the game. Believe what you want, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Norman said: It's stupid to think no advantage would be gained. There is a reason he turned up the day before. You know who is injured, you know whether the shape of defensive training is to press or contain, or to push out wide etc etc. Even down to set pieces or practising penalties. I think it's disgusting. Bielsa publicises his tactical methods in great detail, and usually gives out his team sheets several days in advance. It's not like he's gaining any information about us which we don't already have about him, so where is the advantage exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Paul71 said: So if there is nothing to be gained from using binoculars outside the training ground then why do it? And why carry pliers? Incase you get a unusually tough steak at the local pub? Surely intent is an issue also. There clearly is something to be gained. Really valuable prior knowledge of our team and apparent tactics. as far as i'm aware though, it is not an offence to be in possession of a pair of pliers. Like i said before, if he used them then new rules apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TobyWanKenobi Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 This topic is done and dusted. We complained. Leeds apologised, then they beat us fair and square in the matrch. Let's not let this issue drag on like a mardy Cardiff fan stuck in a bit of snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Just now, Lambchop said: Listen to Bielsa's press conference, which I've already posted. For me, Bielsa's straightforward admission comes across with more credibility and integrity than Frank blustering away from a moral high ground which probably doesn't exist, even in his own head. That's just my reading of the situation, which seems to be reinforced by numerous comments from others in the game. Believe what you want, obviously. I will i will believe facts not speculation. His straightforward admission having been caught? Or was this before they got caught? You say he has credibility yet would he have admitted if he hadn't been caught? No of course not so there goes any credibility. Still know how much you like to disagree so on the weight of probability i am assuming if everyone on here was slating frank and supporting bielsa you would be posting 'proof' that frank was totally innocent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 1 minute ago, TobyWanKenobi said: This topic is done and dusted. We complained. Leeds apologised, then they beat us fair and square in the matrch. Let's not let this issue drag on like a mardy Cardiff fan stuck in a bit of imaginary snow. Ftfy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, Paul71 said: I said provide proof, you cant. As the person alledging guilt you should provide proof not the other way round. You/ Frank are alleging that Bielsa is uniquely engaged in a dishonest practice which gives him an unfair advantage. The burden of proof is with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambam Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 18 minutes ago, Lambchop said: Exactly what has been done. Both clubs make the appropriate noises, and everyone carries on as before. So carry on as before. Just be more covert. Ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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