therealhantsram Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, DcfcJB said: I've not checked so I could be wrong, but Robbie Savage was surely pre FFP. Savage was just a good player for us when we had a lower end of the championship side and clearly Nigel Clough rated him as Savage did say Clough saved his career. Absolutely... It was pre FFP. But the principle remains. Savage took a pay cut in exchange for a contract extension... This allowed Clough space in the budget to sign players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, DcfcJB said: I've not checked so I could be wrong, but Robbie Savage was surely pre FFP. Savage was just a good player for us when we had a lower end of the championship side and clearly Nigel Clough rated him as Savage did say Clough saved his career. ....and delayed his dreadful media appearances so let's be thankful for that, if nothing else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamRam Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 18 hours ago, Gritty said: I suspect we are looking like breaching FFP quite a bit this year (on wages alone we would have breached last year if it wasn't for net inflow of transfer fee income and we have transfer value wrtie-downs this year too) I suspect we are trying to severely curtail the wage bill and hoping to get a more lenient punishment (i.e. not start next year with a points reduction but maybe just a transfer embargo) Is this you guessing or ITK ? I’d be very surprised if MM has been playing Russian roulette with our club by bringing in players that meant we breached the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, AdamRam said: Is this you guessing or ITK ? I’d be very surprised if MM has been playing Russian roulette with our club by bringing in players that meant we breached the rules. I agree, I can't see that MM would have done that. But maybe someone he trusted did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamRam Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 11 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: I agree, I can't see that MM would have done that. But maybe someone he trusted did? Like who? Are we saying Mel didn’t sanction the purchase of Marriott etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, AdamRam said: Like who? Are we saying Mel didn’t sanction the purchase of Marriott etc.... Long story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: Long story. Go on then tell us a story... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamRam Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: Long story. I’m not going anywhere..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 18 hours ago, Gritty said: I suspect we are looking like breaching FFP quite a bit this year (on wages alone we would have breached last year if it wasn't for net inflow of transfer fee income and we have transfer value wrtie-downs this year too) I suspect we are trying to severely curtail the wage bill and hoping to get a more lenient punishment (i.e. not start next year with a points reduction but maybe just a transfer embargo) I don't - I don't think we're anywhere near as close to breaching FFP as that - There would have been more warning signs by now We have a bunch of players who are out of contract in the summer being linked with moves - If there was really any danger of an FFP breach a) rumours would have got out to the press or at the very least b) rumour would have reaches agents - We'd be seeing insulting rumoured offers for our talented players rather than suggested deals for older players I suspect they are being careful about balancing the books - We're generally seeing older, more expensive players being moved on and younger, less expensive players being moved in - The deals we did over the summer seem to have been smart/shrewd in the cost and application Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 20 minutes ago, AdamRam said: I’m not going anywhere..... It could be that someone who is no longer employed by Derby County were never really concerned by things like FFP when handing out contracts and agreeing deals with football clubs. So my point was, MM wasn't gambling with the club, but perhaps someone he trusted to have the best interests of the club at heart, didn't really. And yes, I am referring to Betty the tea lady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamRam Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: It could be that someone who is no longer employed by Derby County were never really concerned by things like FFP when handing out contracts and agreeing deals with football clubs. So my point was, MM wasn't gambling with the club, but perhaps someone he trusted to have the best interests of the club at heart, didn't really. And yes, I am referring to Betty the tea lady. I get that part, however Betty wasn’t at the club when we brought in our latest recruits, so my point still stands that it would be the current set up who would having being playing Russian roulette, which I don’t believe they would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, AdamRam said: I get that part, however Betty wasn’t at the club when we brought in our latest recruits, so my point still stands that it would be the current set up who would having being playing Russian roulette, which I don’t believe they would. Yes I get your point now, apologies. Mel sanctioned the deals for this years signings, so why gamble? Good point that man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritty Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 hour ago, cheron85 said: I don't - I don't think we're anywhere near as close to breaching FFP as that - There would have been more warning signs by now We have a bunch of players who are out of contract in the summer being linked with moves - If there was really any danger of an FFP breach a) rumours would have got out to the press or at the very least b) rumour would have reaches agents - We'd be seeing insulting rumoured offers for our talented players rather than suggested deals for older players I suspect they are being careful about balancing the books - We're generally seeing older, more expensive players being moved on and younger, less expensive players being moved in - The deals we did over the summer seem to have been smart/shrewd in the cost and application I'm not ITK at all. Just follow our accounts and unusual method of writing down players in them. In short, if someone leaves for less than we've valued them in accounts we make a big ffp loss. We've 8 players out of contract this summer. We've written down very little of transfer values in accounts in recent years (suggesting a number could be valued close to purchase price and certainly above zero; so when they leave we could record big losses) But I'm an amateur and not ITK. Very much hope I'm wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamluca Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 25 minutes ago, Gritty said: I'm not ITK at all. Just follow our accounts and unusual method of writing down players in them. In short, if someone leaves for less than we've valued them in accounts we make a big ffp loss. We've 8 players out of contract this summer. We've written down very little of transfer values in accounts in recent years (suggesting a number could be valued close to purchase price and certainly above zero; so when they leave we could record big losses) But I'm an amateur and not ITK. Very much hope I'm wrong I've not posted for a long while but read this and whilst FFP is based on transfer values I did hear that one of the things that helped with FFP in the summer was that Weimann was written down to zero on the accounts and the club were astonished to receive a fee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Teamluca said: I've not posted for a long while but read this and whilst FFP is based on transfer values I did hear that one of the things that helped with FFP in the summer was that Weimann was written down to zero on the accounts and the club were astonished to receive a fee! Weren’t we all!! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 33 minutes ago, Gritty said: We've written down very little of transfer values in accounts in recent years (suggesting a number could be valued close to purchase price and certainly above zero; so when they leave we could record big losses) You don't know that, at no point have any of us seen a breakdown of each individual players written down value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritty Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 33 minutes ago, Carnero said: You don't know that, at no point have any of us seen a breakdown of each individual players written down value. Not individual but the accounts show total write downs. And very little was written down. Follow Kieran Maguire on twitter. He is a football finance expert and analysed our accounts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Gritty said: Not individual but the accounts show total write downs. And very little was written down. Follow Kieran Maguire on twitter. He is a football finance expert and analysed our accounts He's also said we're not close on FFP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 I suspect Mrs Morris has said Melvyn you have now spent more than enough on that club of yours. I want a week away in Benidorm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 38 minutes ago, i-Ram said: I suspect Mrs Morris has said Melvyn you have now spent more than enough on that club of yours. I want a week away in Benidorm. ...All inclusive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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