cheron85 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Anyone heard any rumours on the contract situations of the guys out of contract at the end of the season? By my reckoning it should be: Huddlestone (option to extend for a year) Bryson Johnson Butterfield (seems to be off) Ledley Pearce Nugent Olsson Roos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiddingsRam Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 minute ago, cheron85 said: Anyone heard any rumours on the contract situations of the guys out of contract at the end of the season? By my reckoning it should be: Huddlestone (option to extend for a year) Bryson Johnson Butterfield (seems to be off) Ledley Pearce Nugent Olsson Roos Barring Huddz I think they will all be released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roboram Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I say let them all go. We've been bemoaning the size of the squad & wanting a big clear out for a couple of years now. No better opportunity to do this than in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbobram Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Roboram said: I say let them all go. We've been bemoaning the size of the squad & wanting a big clear out for a couple of years now. No better opportunity to do this than in the summer. Its all well and good saying let them all go, but that's a huge chunk of the squad gone, and if we don't have funds to replace them with young hungry players then we are struggling. Remember its those listed above + Wilson, Mount and Tomori. That's a lot of players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePrisoner Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Huddlestone will stay and Nugent will get a year I reckon. The rest out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, Roboram said: I say let them all go. We've been bemoaning the size of the squad & wanting a big clear out for a couple of years now. No better opportunity to do this than in the summer. If we release all of them it will be a big hit towards FFP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuitYourJibbaJivin Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I’d expect a couple to be renewed just to stave off FFP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roboram Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, jimbobram said: Its all well and good saying let them all go, but that's a huge chunk of the squad gone, and if we don't have funds to replace them with young hungry players then we are struggling. Remember its those listed above + Wilson, Mount and Tomori. That's a lot of players. I take your point. But surely letting them all go will free up funds to strengthen, especially with the amount of wages the likes of Johnson & Butterfield are on (allegedly). Only around half the list (maximum) make the match day squad anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolram Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I think Bryson will be offered too, maybe Pearce, but not sure why he would stay to sit on the bench another season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, rynny said: If we release all of them it will be a big hit towards FFP. I reckon Badly might get another year for that reason, think we'll have to take a hit on Butterfield though. The others bar Nugent were free or low cost, so are more likely to go than not. I'd keep Bryson and Hudds on 1 year extensions if possible, but I wouldn't offer the rest deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topram Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Bryson Hudds let the rest go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Extend Huddlestone, the rest need to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, reveldevil said: I reckon Badly might get another year for that reason, think we'll have to take a hit on Butterfield though. The others bar Nugent were free or low cost, so are more likely to go than not. I'd keep Bryson and Hudds on 1 year extensions if possible, but I wouldn't offer the rest deals. It is a tough one to balance, we need to get rid of players but we can't let them go for free because of FFP. This year is going to be an interesting one in both transfer windows. A lot of players are playing for their future, whether that be here or at another club. We have a few players with something to prove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 26 minutes ago, rynny said: If we release all of them it will be a big hit towards FFP. In what way? Edit: Just seen your subsequent reply. Not sure I agree as I can't really see where the value is in many of those players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, BurtonRam7 said: In what way? Edit: Just seen your subsequent reply. Not sure I agree as I can't really see where the value is in many of those players. They have a book value so when they leave we "lose" that amount. So say Johnson's value is £5m if he leaves in the summer for nothing the club have "lost" £5m in assets, and it negatively affects FFP. Mel explained it better than me at the forum at the Showcase back in August, if it is still up to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 52 minutes ago, cheron85 said: Anyone heard any rumours on the contract situations of the guys out of contract at the end of the season? By my reckoning it should be: Huddlestone - 1 year extension Bryson - poss 1 year on reduced wages, still have around the squad but not a star anymore Johnson - release, not what he was or what we need going forward Butterfield (seems to be off) - hopefully Ledley - release, permacrock, old Pearce - release, only going to ever be cover Nugent - release, the dave factor is fading Olsson - depends on his injury recovery, honestly not as bad as folk make out Roos - never challenged carson, so let go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, rynny said: They have a book value so when they leave we "lose" that amount. So say Johnson's value is £5m if he leaves in the summer for nothing the club have "lost" £5m in assets, and it negatively affects FFP. Mel explained it better than me at the forum at the Showcase back in August, if it is still up to watch. I thought the negative depreciation of assets would come in here? They won't have been listed as an asset of that value on every years books I don't think... So the loss would be the difference between the value on the books last year and this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, rynny said: They have a book value so when they leave we "lose" that amount. So say Johnson's value is £5m if he leaves in the summer for nothing the club have "lost" £5m in assets, and it negatively affects FFP. Mel explained it better than me at the forum at the Showcase back in August, if it is still up to watch. Ah, I see what point you're making. I've heard it explained before (on the Not The Top 20 Podcast (about the Football League) I believe) but I thought it was just a different way of looking at whether player transfers are good value for money or not. If it directly affects FFP then fair enough, although I'm still not sure about renewing Johnson's contract due to his wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I think a lot of it depends on how much they want to be paid and how much we will offer because we have been paying far too much basically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, cheron85 said: I thought the negative depreciation of assets would come in here? They won't have been listed as an asset of that value on every years books I don't think... So the loss would be the difference between the value on the books last year and this year? 11 minutes ago, BurtonRam7 said: Ah, I see what point you're making. I've heard it explained before (on the Not The Top 20 Podcast (about the Football League) I believe) but I thought it was just a different way of looking at whether player transfers are good value for money or not. If it directly affects FFP then fair enough, although I'm still not sure about renewing Johnson's contract due to his wages. From what Mel was saying at forum the players value is registered and they are then set. He used an example of a player signing, valued at £10m, suffers an injury, never recovers properly and never rediscovers their form that made them a £10m player, leaves at the end of their contract for free, the club lose £10m towards FFP. He said how can that be fair? @BurtonRam7 as I said, it is going to be an interesting year of how they balance it. Maybe offer players a contract on less wages, no idea how we are going to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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