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The winger conundrum

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1 hour ago, TibshelfRam said:

I'm not one for suggesting sudden changes in system etc. but there is an element to which I agree with this.

I like the inverted wingers as I think it probably gives us a greater goal threat from those wide players. However, I do feel that it is stifling Marriott a bit. I love Marriott, I think he's genuinely a quality attacker and, from what I've seen, the best instinct finisher we've had at the club for some time. Give him a chance and he'll likely take it. But he's not a backs to goal striker a la Martin or Waghorn that others can feed off. To try to get him to play as such diminishes his ability and also that of those around him because he doesn't 'link' the play well enough.

Imagine Marriott with balls fizzing across from wide with our wingers getting to the byline and cutting them in - I think he'd be lethal.

I'm not saying we ditch the current system, far from it. But I do think it wouldn't hurt us to mix things up. As a side, we looked so dangerous when our wingers (Russell/Ward, Ward/Ince, Ince/Russell or Ibe etc) used to switch. It made us less predictable and encouraged our wingers to get to the byline and get balls in when they'd switched.

That being said, I'm not sure we have the wingers to play that way, with the possible exception of Jozefzoon, I think most of them like to come inside (Lawrence, Wilson, Holmes, Waghorn).

Just a mere observation, for what its worth.

I think the fullbacks are the ones meant to be providing the extra width and get to the bye-line and provide the crosses/pull-backs. They just don't do enough of it but look what happens when they do - strikers score!

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17 hours ago, angieram said:

I think the fullbacks are the ones meant to be providing the extra width and get to the bye-line and provide the crosses/pull-backs. They just don't do enough of it but look what happens when they do - strikers score!

I don't dispute that, I think that's definitely the plan. I just think that if we were to mix up our wingers and interchanging the side that they play on throughout the duration of the game, it might help us be a little less predictable. Only my own, very limited, tactical view.

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On 02/01/2019 at 20:01, reveldevil said:

My favourite is when someone makes a reply, and hints at the very high level they've played/coached the game at, as if that makes a different opinion somehow less valid!

We haven't had one of those for quite a while though, which is a pity.

There was one guy a few years ago who claimed to be some sort of 'footballing troubleshooter' who should be employed by us. He'd have advised we go with a some weird man to man marking system. 

A couple of years later Cardiff get promoted with this system. 

I think Warnock's stated before that he'd go on forums to gauge opinion... and we know he was interviewed post Wassall... and there was a candidate who rang up Mel after we sacked Pearson stating that "I could have told you a midfield two doesn't work with small players", which is the most Warnock thing I've ever heard, plus he played Bryson in a three.

You never know 👀

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Rodgers' Liverpool had Suarez and Sturridge interchanging between CF and RW. Maybe we could do this with Jack and Waggy. Waggy comes inside when playing on the right anyway but then we lose width.

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I mentioned this on Twitter the other day, but Wilson, Marriott & Waghorn offer perfect balance for me. This is purely just a couple of examples, so bear with me: 

In theory: 

                         SC
JB            RK            FT            SM
                         TH
                 DH          AK
     MW             JM              HW

 

In attack: 

                         SC
JB            RK            FT            SM
                         TH
                              AK
DH                                             HW
                MW            JM

Obviously it's not always as clean cut as this, but this system in particular offers versatility within and while Waghorn isn't seen on paper as a striker, it can create confusion in opposition teams. Holmes can offer the width on the right moving from the middle of the pitch and allowing Waghorn to get closer to Marriott. It works in a number of different ways, especially as we have attacking full backs. The emphasis being on allowing Waghorn to drift inside closer to Marriott, potentially dragging the full back inwards and allowing space on that right hand side. 

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22 hours ago, TibshelfRam said:

I'm not saying we ditch the current system, far from it. But I do think it wouldn't hurt us to mix things up. As a side, we looked so dangerous when our wingers (Russell/Ward, Ward/Ince, Ince/Russell or Ibe etc) used to switch. It made us less predictable and encouraged our wingers to get to the byline and get balls in when they'd switched.

Agreed - I actually like that we have a 'system' in place - It's important that players understand the requirements of them in a certain position so that we can rotate the squad - But would like to see them swap over a bit more than they do - 5-10 minutes per half of going outside rather than inside will mess with defenders heads

I also used to love the 'pairings' we had under Nigel back in the day - Coutts/Brayford looked better as a unit than either of them did separately and I think we're still missing that element of teamwork at certain times - We look like a talented group of individuals rather than a cohesive unit like Norwich or Leeds

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5 hours ago, TibshelfRam said:

I don't dispute that, I think that's definitely the plan. I just think that if we were to mix up our wingers and interchanging the side that they play on throughout the duration of the game, it might help us be a little less predictable. Only my own, very limited, tactical view.

Nah, they'd just fall over the full-backs! 😉

Actually, I agree, I love a good old-fashioned winger . I was brought up on Leighton James. 

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