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3 minutes ago, Spanish said:

your offering him a man hug and clap?😁

Better than intruding into someones private conversation!  Get Out!  

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18 minutes ago, David said:

Finally, I would argue that some subjects are better discussed away from keyboards and face to face over a pint, not that I’m asking you out on a date, but text on screen is not always read as intended. Not always easy getting your thoughts down in writing, conscious of the fact you are boring everyone reading with lengthy posts like now.

I think this is a key point - you get a few sentences to get your opinion across which is often not enough to say what you really mean and can be easily misconstrued.  I think we can all agree that racism is a bad thing and is a line in the sand that should never be crossed but where we see racism and how quickly we are to assume someone is racist (or did a racist act in this case) is more open to interpretation and best discussed face to face over a pint.

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1 hour ago, Mucker1884 said:

Better than intruding into someones private conversation!  Get Out!  

I've really enjoyed your take on it and how you've put your views across.

And as it's me saying that, yes you can take that as an acceptable answer across everyone.

Everyone knows I'm the oracle on all such internet matters, apart from Spanish who thinks I'm at least occasionally"chequered" 😉

I particularly enjoyed your post with your results on that test.

Argue against that 😉

For the record I had a moderate preference to white and I was disgusted with myself. Christ almighty. I know I'm not racist but that test has me unconsciously labelling myself.

I actually love the fact we can have discussions like this. I don't like people spitting their dummies over it even though I can see where that poster is coming from and probably stand in her corner as much as any.

Without heated conversation nothing gets changed. It always starts with one voice.

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4 hours ago, Smyth_18 said:

So people honestly believe this guy had just finished eating a banana and just happened to discard of it by throwing it on to the pitch, just as a black player scored?

It's blatant.

Regarding racial debate, there is absolutely no difference between white or black, apart from the colour of the skin. It is that simple.

And you honestly believe that he took a banana skin into the ground and waited until a black player scored and threw it at him, knowing that the cameras would be pointed in that direction? 

What about all of the coins thrown? Were they all taken in by white people ready to throw at a black player? 

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According to the man arrested, a child next to him had the banana, and dropped the skin on the floor after eating it.

The Greek Cypriot middle aged gentleman was cleared of any racist intent by the police who arrested him shortly afterwards.

Although the police did confiscate the pair of coconuts he'd took to throw at Mesut Ozil.

 

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1 hour ago, reveldevil said:

According to the man arrested, a child next to him had the banana, and dropped the skin on the floor after eating it.

The Greek Cypriot middle aged gentleman was cleared of any racist intent by the police who arrested him shortly afterwards.

Although the police did confiscate the pair of coconuts he'd took to throw at Mesut Ozil.

 

Thanks for the update, reveldevil.

I've managed to find a link, pretty much confirming your post.  However, if I'm reading it right, despite him vowing to plead guilty in court for throwing a missile, and despite the police dropping any racist related charges... which has prompted the FA to withdraw any plans for an investigation ("Probe")... it appears that of the three people named and charged as missile throwers,  and one other charged with a public order offence, this statement appears to single out only the banana skin thrower?  

"A Spurs spokesman said: "Behaviour such as this is completely unacceptable and the supporter in question will be issued with a ban."

That may be just poor reporting though, and maybe the others will have also received a lifetime ban?  Can't be sure!

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/spurs-fan-who-threw-banana-onto-pitch-im-not-a-racist-a4007451.html

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, Dimmu said:

I challenge all of you to take for example this one (there are other good ones too):

http://www.understandingprejudice.org/iat/

When it comes to gender and racial equality, most people know what their opinions are. But what about unconscious attitudes and associations? Would you be surprised to learn, for example, that you unconsciously favor one gender or racial group over another?

I quite like Chinese and indian

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On 03/12/2018 at 07:00, coneheadjohn said:

This stuff makes me sad,it’s almost like we’re making no progress.

Really?

If this is the case, you either don't know how bad things used to be or you pay no attention to what happens in football grounds.

I can honestly say I cannot remember any incidents of racism that I have witnessed inside a football ground for years and years  (although this obviously doesn't mean it doesn't happen).

We have the 'Kick It Out' campaign where players must wear t-shirts promoting anti racism, we have players wearing rainbow laces (I know this is not race related) and we even have various parties banging the drum for people who are not white to be given interviews for positions they are probably not really fit to do (not based on colour).

I'm genuinely shocked if you think an isolated incident, where there is no evidence of racism, is an indicator that there has been no progress on prejudice inside football.

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7 hours ago, ronnieronalde said:

No, I think the guy knew what he was doing. I can't think anyone who throws a banana skin at a black player doesn't. 

I can't speak for others but i think I made it clear early on I think he should be banned for life, if he somehow manages to persuade legal people it wasn't racist then he should still be banned for life AND put on a course.

The rest of my views are general and not specific to this incident.

Racism is a disease and a blight on society.

It is yes.

The authorities are apparently happy it wasn’t racially motivated,  yet a punishment has to be given to send out a message that racist acts, intended or not wont be tolerated.

A lifetime ban i feel is to severe, surely as i have said before people should be given the chance to be better people.

For example Ben Turner was banned for just 5 games for racial abuse, should ge have also received an automatic lifetime ban from football?  

I wouldn't support this but i feel if we are swift to ban fans for life then players should also receive significantly increased suspensions if found guilty.

 

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54 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said:

Thanks for the update, reveldevil.

I've managed to find a link, pretty much confirming your post.  However, if I'm reading it right, despite him vowing to plead guilty in court for throwing a missile, and despite the police dropping any racist related charges... which has prompted the FA to withdraw any plans for an investigation ("Probe")... it appears that of the three people named and charged as missile throwers,  and one other charged with a public order offence, this statement appears to single out only the banana skin thrower?  

"A Spurs spokesman said: "Behaviour such as this is completely unacceptable and the supporter in question will be issued with a ban."

That may be just poor reporting though, and maybe the others will have also received a lifetime ban?  Can't be sure!

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/spurs-fan-who-threw-banana-onto-pitch-im-not-a-racist-a4007451.html

 

 

 

He rang Spurs to apologise, only to be told he'd be banned for life due to his actions in due course.

Presumably once they'd tracked down the other 3000 away fans who chanted 'Yids' during the game, and banned them too.

All the other arrested fans were Gooners, I think.

As a aside, a Brighton fan was arrested for throwing a pie at Wilfred Zaha the other night! 

Once officers had confirmed the pie thrower wasn't racially motivated by tasting the filling, he was bailed to appear at a later date.

Although the ICC are investigating his delivery, as they suspect his action doesn't keep a straight enough wrist.

 

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17 minutes ago, Paul71 said:

It is yes.

The authorities are apparently happy it wasn’t racially motivated,  yet a punishment has to be given to send out a message that racist acts, intended or not wont be tolerated.

A lifetime ban i feel is to severe, surely as i have said before people should be given the chance to be better people.

For example Ben Turner was banned for just 5 games for racial abuse, should ge have also received an automatic lifetime ban from football?  

I wouldn't support this but i feel if we are swift to ban fans for life then players should also receive significantly increased suspensions if found guilty.

 

I think I said earlier that they should ban anyone caught throwing anything for life, not just this guy. I think I said anyone that throws anything is scum of the highest order.

I'm sure I mentioned my disappointment that they were only highlighting the banana skin incident. What kind of person goes to a football game and starts throwing things at someone/anyone.

I don't know the full facts on Turner, his defence and the clubs defence was that he didn't racially abuse the guy. The player he "abused" didn't hear it. It was his team mate who reported it.

Sources close to the club told me he said you could have ended my career you see you next Tuesday. He got done for calling the guy a Korean see you next Tuesday.

I'd like to believe Turner but was also incredibly disappointed with him for putting himself and the club in that posiiton.

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17 minutes ago, ronnieronalde said:

I think I said earlier that they should ban anyone caught throwing anything for life, not just this guy. I think I said anyone that throws anything is scum of the highest order.

I'm sure I mentioned my disappointment that they were only highlighting the banana skin incident. What kind of person goes to a football game and starts throwing things at someone/anyone.

I don't know the full facts on Turner, his defence and the clubs defence was that he didn't racially abuse the guy. The player he "abused" didn't hear it. It was his team mate who reported it.

Sources close to the club told me he said you could have ended my career you see you next Tuesday. He got done for calling the guy a Korean see you next Tuesday.

I'd like to believe Turner but was also incredibly disappointed with him for putting himself and the club in that posiiton.

I agree,  but if we are banning purely on the basis of throwing missiles a banana skin isnt going to injure anyone.

I think it was last season i said i was disappointed in the length of a ban a Derby fan got for running on the pitch during a game.  He was banned for the rest of the season. 

I was told by many that i was wrong for wanting a longer ban. I believe if you are to say someone throwing a missile should be banned then the same for fans running on the pitch,  i would treat all pitch invaders as a threat to players or officials,  or do we have to wait until something bad does actually happen?

Likewise if throwing a banana skin as a missile is worthy of a lifetime ban then any player headbutting or biting another player etc should receive the same sort of ban.

John Terry got away lightly with racist abuse too. 

To flip it though i would also have punished the players involved and chelsea very severely for their clear attempt to frame clattenburg for racial abuse.

Lets just have a level playing field and treat and punish everyone equally. 

Spurs have clearly banned him because of the racist aspect, lets see if they do the same if kane et al did the same. I think we know the answer. 

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2 hours ago, Paul71 said:

I agree,  but if we are banning purely on the basis of throwing missiles a banana skin isnt going to injure anyone.

I think it was last season i said i was disappointed in the length of a ban a Derby fan got for running on the pitch during a game.  He was banned for the rest of the season. 

I was told by many that i was wrong for wanting a longer ban. I believe if you are to say someone throwing a missile should be banned then the same for fans running on the pitch,  i would treat all pitch invaders as a threat to players or officials,  or do we have to wait until something bad does actually happen?

Likewise if throwing a banana skin as a missile is worthy of a lifetime ban then any player headbutting or biting another player etc should receive the same sort of ban.

John Terry got away lightly with racist abuse too. 

To flip it though i would also have punished the players involved and chelsea very severely for their clear attempt to frame clattenburg for racial abuse.

Lets just have a level playing field and treat and punish everyone equally. 

Spurs have clearly banned him because of the racist aspect, lets see if they do the same if kane et al did the same. I think we know the answer. 

If I'm reading that right, you think all pitch invaders should receive the same treatment as someone who assaults a player, because they might assault a player? Seems a bit minority report.

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