AndyinLiverpool Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Just now, Wolfie said: It's such a stupid comment from the guy. I get that he's a Union representative, so has his agenda but what kind of message is this giving to those scumbags that get involved in this type of behaviour?. How many times have the police said that the public shouldn't get involved?. At least video footage can be used in future prosecutions & is regularly requested by police after an event. The police have been giving these messages for years. 'There's nothing we can do...' is the usual refrain where victims of crime are concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 4 hours ago, reveldevil said: Maybe if senior officers didn't lock themselves in their car and watch while their colleague got stabbed to death, people might be more inclined to help. Really poor comment about an isolated incident. There are plenty of emergency services staff that risk injury/serious injury/death every day of the week. It's not the lack of action from senior officers that prevent public getting involved it's more often than not a rationale fear of getting injured themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Give me a can of CS spray and a truncheon a pair of cuffs and a taser and I’ll help them out no problem. oh and a stab proof vest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 25 minutes ago, Tamworthram said: Really poor comment about an isolated incident. There are plenty of emergency services staff that risk injury/serious injury/death every day of the week. It's not the lack of action from senior officers that prevent public getting involved it's more often than not a rationale fear of getting injured themselves. Leadership comes from the top in that kind of organizational structure. How can that man could look other officers in the eye, neither mind lead them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 hour ago, reveldevil said: Leadership comes from the top in that kind of organizational structure. How can that man could look other officers in the eye, neither mind lead them. Can't argue with that and your comment would have been valid had we been talking about more junior police not stepping in. However, we're talking about the general public here who aren't led by the senior officer in question. I doubt very much if anyone observing this incident thought "well if an individual senior police officer wouldn't step in then I won't". As I said they're more likely to be thinking that if they get involved they're very likely to get hurt themselves. I'm not blaming them, I'd probably do the same sadly, but it's got nothing to do with the lack of action taken by one senior officer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Tamworthram said: Can't argue with that and your comment would have been valid had we been talking about more junior police not stepping in. However, we're talking about the general public here who aren't led by the senior officer in question. I doubt very much if anyone observing this incident thought "well if an individual senior police officer wouldn't step in then I won't". As I said they're more likely to be thinking that if they get involved they're very likely to get hurt themselves. I'm not blaming them, I'd probably do the same sadly, but it's got nothing to do with the lack of action taken by one senior officer. Never mind that, I've just re-read the terrible sentence in my previous post. The grammar police used to pick me up on it, but now they just walk on by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 If the police, who are trained to handle this kind of situation, can't sort it out, a member of the public would just be putting themselves at risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 24 minutes ago, GboroRam said: If the police, who are trained to handle this kind of situation, can't sort it out, a member of the public would just be putting themselves at risk. Also how do you know you won’t get charged for assault if you batter someone in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 19 minutes ago, Gritters said: Also how do you know you won’t get charged for assault if you batter someone in the process. Also, even though I'm comfortable with a bare knuckle fight, what if he pulls a knife? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 39 minutes ago, GboroRam said: Also, even though I'm comfortable with a bare knuckle fight, what if he pulls a knife? You should be doing a dynamic risk assessment before getting involved, Gboro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
froggg Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 56 minutes ago, GboroRam said: Also, even though I'm comfortable with a bare knuckle fight, what if he pulls a knife? Just remember it only takes 7lb of pressure to break a collar bone, obviously only if reasonable force? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 If this happens just let the police put a bullet in the attacker, that will reduce the risk involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrivateDerby Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Only going to get worse... They know that there are 20,000 less bobbies and they know they've got a good chance of getting away if they put up a fight because there's limited or no back up. As for the video - Two officers stopped the car 3 scum up, male officer looks to be doing a good job with a big lad, female officer giving it 'em with CS. Simmilar situations happen all day everyday all over the country and get dealt with easily. On this occasion they were up against it and it didn't go as well that's all, fair play to the motorcyclist. Takes a special sort of scum to flying kick a female officer on a busy road into oncoming traffic but sadly that's the way it's going now. There are lots of decent frontline officers doing a brilliant job, they're still out there catching baddies and having good old fashioned scraps along the way. Obviously I'm biased but trust me, they're still trying their best with the hand they've been dealt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrivateDerby Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 5 hours ago, Wolfie said: It's such a stupid comment from the guy. I get that he's a Union representative, so has his agenda but what kind of message is this giving to those scumbags that get involved in this type of behaviour?. How many times have the police said that the public shouldn't get involved?. At least video footage can be used in future prosecutions & is regularly requested by police after an event. Cringed when I read it. The late Paul McKeever was a massive loss to the Police Federation and will be very hard to replace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, PrivateDerby said: Only going to get worse... They know that there are 20,000 less bobbies and they know they've got a good chance of getting away if they put up a fight because there's limited or no back up. As for the video - Two officers stopped the car 3 scum up, male officer looks to be doing a good job with a big lad, female officer giving it 'em with CS. Simmilar situations happen all day everyday all over the country and get dealt with easily. On this occasion they were up against it and it didn't go as well that's all, fair play to the motorcyclist. Takes a special sort of scum to flying kick a female officer on a busy road into oncoming traffic but sadly that's the way it's going now. There are lots of decent frontline officers doing a brilliant job, they're still out there catching baddies and having good old fashioned scraps along the way. Obviously I'm biased but trust me, they're still trying their best with the hand they've been dealt. Im sure most are trying their best but one experience i had makes me wonder. I went to greyhounds at Nottingham couple of years ago and towards the end some bloke obviously drunk decided to do a lap of the track. The security got him, dragged him off, walking out not exaggerating but at least 7 police cars are there with numerous officers lights flashing. They are bundling the guy in the back of a van, no one is fighting or anything. Talk about massive overreaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WharfedaleRam Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Don’t know who was more scummy - those assaulting the police officers or the numpty taking the pictures. Catch em, put em in stocks for half a day and let the public do what they want with em! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrivateDerby Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 13 hours ago, Paul71 said: Im sure most are trying their best but one experience i had makes me wonder. I went to greyhounds at Nottingham couple of years ago and towards the end some bloke obviously drunk decided to do a lap of the track. The security got him, dragged him off, walking out not exaggerating but at least 7 police cars are there with numerous officers lights flashing. They are bundling the guy in the back of a van, no one is fighting or anything. Talk about massive overreaction. I'll have it but... imagine you've dealt with scumbags and nonsense all shift, then a call comes in about a drunk man running around a dog track ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 17 hours ago, Paul71 said: Im sure most are trying their best but one experience i had makes me wonder. I went to greyhounds at Nottingham couple of years ago and towards the end some bloke obviously drunk decided to do a lap of the track. The security got him, dragged him off, walking out not exaggerating but at least 7 police cars are there with numerous officers lights flashing. They are bundling the guy in the back of a van, no one is fighting or anything. Talk about massive overreaction. 3 hours ago, PrivateDerby said: I'll have it but... imagine you've dealt with scumbags and nonsense all shift, then a call comes in about a drunk man running around a dog track ? Did they use a truncheon on him? Bet they couldn't wait to whippet out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 I bet they were nervous approaching him, in case they came across a trap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 17 hours ago, Paul71 said: Im sure most are trying their best but one experience i had makes me wonder. I went to greyhounds at Nottingham couple of years ago and towards the end some bloke obviously drunk decided to do a lap of the track. The security got him, dragged him off, walking out not exaggerating but at least 7 police cars are there with numerous officers lights flashing. They are bundling the guy in the back of a van, no one is fighting or anything. Talk about massive overreaction. Hare one minute, gone the next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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