Coneheadjohn Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/police-officer-karate-kicked-in-violent-attack-on-london-street-11557984 What the hell is going on? Anyone get involved?I mean helping the Police by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Shocking. A police officer in the street. Whatever next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 hour ago, coneheadjohn said: What the hell is going on? Well....without going down the political route. Cuts to funding to the public sector is probably the most that can be said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexxxxx Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 hour ago, coneheadjohn said: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/police-officer-karate-kicked-in-violent-attack-on-london-street-11557984 What the hell is going on? Anyone get involved?I mean helping the Police by the way. what - get involved and risk getting stabbed to death trying to be being a hero? don't think so i'm afraid.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 I fear this thread could quickly become political so I'm choosing the right to remain silent ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coneheadjohn Posted November 20, 2018 Author Share Posted November 20, 2018 18 minutes ago, StivePesley said: I fear this thread could quickly become political so I'm choosing the right to remain silent ? Always a risk. I’m just after what people thought about getting involved as opposed to standing back and filming and laughing,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Maybe if senior officers didn't lock themselves in their car and watch while their colleague got stabbed to death, people might be more inclined to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 minute ago, coneheadjohn said: Always a risk. I’m just after what people thought about getting involved as opposed to standing back and filming and laughing,. The problem is that if you got involved, and injured either the person being arrested or yourself, where does that leave you in the eyes of the law? Reasonable force is such a grey area. If the bloke (being arrested) had a knife and you clobbered him from behind with a limp of wood, the arguement could be made that you are the one at fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46272442 Police 'could let violent suspects go if public do not help' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevin Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 I was driving through the Meadows late at night and saw a man and a woman kicking seven bells out of a bloke in the gutter .I pulled up to have a word and the bloke in the gutter jumps up and joins forces with the two giving him the kicking .Judge carefully is all I would say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ketteringram Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, King Kevin said: I was driving through the Meadows late at night and saw a man and a woman kicking seven bells out of a bloke in the gutter .I pulled up to have a word and the bloke in the gutter jumps up and joins forces with the two giving him the kicking .Judge carefully is all I would say. Confused. Who were they kicking once the bloke in the gutter got up?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevin Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, ketteringram said: Confused. Who were they kicking once the bloke in the gutter got up?? They were having a go at me verbally . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ketteringram Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 14 minutes ago, King Kevin said: They were having a go at me verbally . Ah I see! ? Yes. Definitely got to be careful these days. It's very hard to know what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 34 minutes ago, King Kevin said: I was driving through the Meadows late at night and saw a man and a woman kicking seven bells out of a bloke in the gutter .I pulled up to have a word and the bloke in the gutter jumps up and joins forces with the two giving him the kicking .Judge carefully is all I would say. Were you in your ceremonial carriage, and festooned with Crown Jewels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 "We're going to come to a point where we're going to start pushing messages out to our colleagues: 'Risk-assess it dynamically and, if you think you can't detain a person, just let them go. We don't come to work to get assaulted, and if we're not going to be backed up in what we're doing then what is the point?" ... But you're the police? Risk assess it dynamically. twit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Help, help! This guy is holding my kids hostage Don't worry! The police are here right now and are carrying out a dynamic risk assessment Hurry, he's got a weapon Good luck, love. You should have called the Royal Marines. All the best though, yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Saw a couple of police walking round Southampton on Sunday. They were festooned with so much kit and kevlar they looked huge and virtually immobile. If they're standard beat coppers then they look to have no chance of a) chasing anyone at pace b) being agile enough to dodge any blows aimed in their direction and c) quickly get a comms device out of their bulging equipment belts rapidly to get back up of a situation quickly turns. Really sad state of affairs that they have to be so kitted out for self defence they are rendered completely unable to function in the way intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coneheadjohn Posted November 20, 2018 Author Share Posted November 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, HantsRam said: Saw a couple of police walking round Southampton on Sunday. They were festooned with so much kit and kevlar they looked huge and virtually immobile. If they're standard beat coppers then they look to have no chance of a) chasing anyone at pace b) being agile enough to dodge any blows aimed in their direction and c) quickly get a comms device out of their bulging equipment belts rapidly to get back up of a situation quickly turns. Really sad state of affairs that they have to be so kitted out for self defence they are rendered completely unable to function in the way intended. This made me smile,what a sad state. Must be knackered after a shift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 The nearest I've ever come to committing violence was on an anti apartheid demo in the 80s. Three police were holding a friend down on the ground, whilst a fourth punched him repeatedly in the face. His crime; sitting peacefully outside the South African embassy. I could have kicked the policeman in the face, but I just walked away shaking and crying. Never trusted them since, funnily enough. Not condoning attacks on the police, but pointing out that they are sometimes the aggressors. That's not a political opinion, it's just a fact of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 3 hours ago, McRamFan said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46272442 Police 'could let violent suspects go if public do not help' It's such a stupid comment from the guy. I get that he's a Union representative, so has his agenda but what kind of message is this giving to those scumbags that get involved in this type of behaviour?. How many times have the police said that the public shouldn't get involved?. At least video footage can be used in future prosecutions & is regularly requested by police after an event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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