Yojimbo Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 I was Skyping my Dad yesterday and, as usual, the topic turned to football and my Dad jokingly said he hated Bournemouth because they are “where we should be”. Now, he didn’t mean it as clubs are generally were they are on merit (or at least how wisely they invest their money), but it got me thinking; who are the twenty clubs - by fanbase, history, success or whichever merits who choose as denoting the “biggest clubs” - “should” make up the Premier League? Here’s my opening gambit... Arsenal Aston Villa Chelsea Derby County Everton Fulham Ipswich Town Leeds United Leicester City Liverpool Manchester City Manchester United Newcastle United Nottingham Forest Sheffield Wednesday Sunderland Tottenham Hotspur West Ham United West Bromwich Albion Wolverhampton Wanderers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 4 hours ago, Yojimbo said: I was Skyping my Dad yesterday and, as usual, the topic turned to football and my Dad jokingly said he hated Bournemouth because they are “where we should be”. Now, he didn’t mean it as clubs are generally were they are on merit (or at least how wisely they invest their money), but it got me thinking; who are the twenty clubs - by fanbase, history, success or whichever merits who choose as denoting the “biggest clubs” - “should” make up the Premier League? Here’s my opening gambit... Arsenal Aston Villa Chelsea Derby County Everton Fulham Ipswich Town Leeds United Leicester City Liverpool Manchester City Manchester United Newcastle United Nottingham Forest Sheffield Wednesday Sunderland Tottenham Hotspur West Ham United West Bromwich Albion Wolverhampton Wanderers Huddersfield have won more than most those clubs. Arsenal should be relegated for buying their way in instead of earning their right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Arsenal Aston Villa Birmingham Blackburn Bolton Chelsea Derby Everton Leeds Leicester Liverpool Manchester United Newcastle Portsmouth Sheffield Wednesday Sheffield United Sunderland Tottenham Hotspur West Brom West Ham Ok, maybe Portsmouth shouldn’t be in there, bit of a wildcard to stick in their as the atmosphere at Fratton Park can be pretty great. Couple of others such as Bolton and Sunderland are there because they spent years in the Prem, hard to say they are not worthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 27 minutes ago, David said: Arsenal Aston Villa Birmingham Blackburn Bolton Chelsea Derby Everton Leeds Leicester Liverpool Manchester United Newcastle Portsmouth Sheffield Wednesday Sheffield United Sunderland Tottenham Hotspur West Brom West Ham Ok, maybe Portsmouth shouldn’t be in there, bit of a wildcard to stick in their as the atmosphere at Fratton Park can be pretty great. Couple of others such as Bolton and Sunderland are there because they spent years in the Prem, hard to say they are not worthy. Interesting that you have dropped Man City for the likes of Bolton. Anyway, the teams that should make up the Prem are the ones that are there on merit imo. We have a bit of history and a fan base but most of our success was decades ago. The younger ones in other parts of the country may not see us as worthy possibly picking Bolton over us. Interesting thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Top 20 in average league position over the last 50 years (prior to the end of the 16/17 season) says ... Arsenal Aston Villa Chelsea Derby Everton Ipswich Leeds Leicester Liverpool Manchester United Manchester City Middlesbrough Newcastle Norwich Nottingham Forest Southampton Sunderland Tottenham West Brom West Ham Looks like a solid top division to me. We could expand it to 24 teams to include both Sheffield clubs, Wolves and Birmingham (although they didn't place in the top 24 over the 50 year period). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 12 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Top 20 in average league position over the last 50 years (prior to the end of the 16/17 season) says ... Arsenal Aston Villa Chelsea Derby Everton Ipswich Leeds Leicester Liverpool Manchester United Manchester City Middlesbrough Newcastle Norwich Nottingham Forest Southampton Sunderland Tottenham West Brom West Ham Looks like a solid top division to me. We could expand it to 24 teams to include both Sheffield clubs, Wolves and Birmingham (although they didn't place in the top 24 over the 50 year period). my wrong impression would have been the Sheffield clubs over the east Anglia outfits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 20 minutes ago, Spanish said: my wrong impression would have been the Sheffield clubs over the east Anglia outfits The all-time top division table swaps the two sets of teams. It also brings in Wolves, Bolton and Blackburn at the expense of Forest, Leicester and Southampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Woodford Wells Corinthian Casuals Royal Engineers Oxford University Old Etonians Old Carthusians Clapham Rovers Maidenhead Wanderers Sheffield Hallam Swifts Old Harrovians Cambridge University Queen's Park Shropshire Wanderers Upton Park Windsor Home Park Marlow Old Foresters It's time to admit that the toffs were correct. They warned us that professionalism would ruin the game. Remove the insufferable oiks and return the sport to gentlemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 London clubs: Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, West Ham (4) South coast: Portsmouth, Southampton (2) West Midlands Aston Villa, Wolves. (2) East of England Ipswich(1) East Midlands Derby, Forest (2) Yorkshire Leeds, Huddersfield (2) Liverpool Everton, Liverpool (2) Manchester Manchester utd (1) Lancashire Burnley, Blackburn (2) North east Scunderlund, Newcastle (2) Because sod Man citeh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 On 15/11/2018 at 01:03, Yojimbo said: I was Skyping my Dad yesterday and, as usual, the topic turned to football and my Dad jokingly said he hated Bournemouth because they are “where we should be”. Now, he didn’t mean it as clubs are generally were they are on merit (or at least how wisely they invest their money), but it got me thinking; who are the twenty clubs - by fanbase, history, success or whichever merits who choose as denoting the “biggest clubs” - “should” make up the Premier League? Here’s my opening gambit... Arsenal Aston Villa Chelsea Derby County Everton Fulham Ipswich Town Leeds United Leicester City Liverpool Manchester City Manchester United Newcastle United Nottingham Forest Sheffield Wednesday Sunderland Tottenham Hotspur West Ham United West Bromwich Albion Wolverhampton Wanderers I'd replace Fulham and Leicester with Middlesbrough and Southampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 On 15/11/2018 at 09:07, Anon said: Woodford Wells Corinthian Casuals Royal Engineers Oxford University Old Etonians Old Carthusians Clapham Rovers Maidenhead Wanderers Sheffield Hallam Swifts Old Harrovians Cambridge University Queen's Park Shropshire Wanderers Upton Park Windsor Home Park Marlow Old Foresters It's time to admit that the toffs were correct. They warned us that professionalism would ruin the game. Remove the insufferable oiks and return the sport to gentlemen. good point. Its not only the goalkeepers who should wear caps........? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 On 15/11/2018 at 11:18, RadioactiveWaste said: London clubs: Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, West Ham (4) South coast: Portsmouth, Southampton (2) West Midlands Aston Villa, Wolves. (2) East of England Ipswich(1) East Midlands Derby, Forest (2) Yorkshire Leeds, Huddersfield (2) Liverpool Everton, Liverpool (2) Manchester Manchester utd (1) Lancashire Burnley, Blackburn (2) North east Scunderlund, Newcastle (2) Because sod Man citeh. Good to think about regional representation. You want a few juicy derbies (so there’s an argument for Man City and maybe Norwich based on that), and a few good away days. Not sure why Ipswich are getting so much live though. Either have Ipswich with Norwich, or not at all. Ipswich are the most nothing of nothing clubs as far as I’m concerned. You’ve got to look way back in history for anything interesting happening to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 On 17/11/2018 at 18:53, TigerTedd said: Good to think about regional representation. You want a few juicy derbies (so there’s an argument for Man City and maybe Norwich based on that), and a few good away days. Not sure why Ipswich are getting so much live though. Either have Ipswich with Norwich, or not at all. Ipswich are the most nothing of nothing clubs as far as I’m concerned. You’ve got to look way back in history for anything interesting happening to them. They won the UEFA Cup in 1981 so have won a major trophy since we last did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 On 15/11/2018 at 09:07, Anon said: Woodford Wells Corinthian Casuals Royal Engineers Oxford University Old Etonians Old Carthusians Clapham Rovers Maidenhead Wanderers Sheffield Hallam Swifts Old Harrovians Cambridge University Queen's Park Shropshire Wanderers Upton Park Windsor Home Park Marlow Old Foresters It's time to admit that the toffs were correct. They warned us that professionalism would ruin the game. Remove the insufferable oiks and return the sport to gentlemen. I say, old bean. I have actually played for one of those teams, what! And done a little coaching with one of the others, what! Spiffing choice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 On 15/11/2018 at 05:40, Paul71 said: Huddersfield have won more than most those clubs. Arsenal should be relegated for buying their way in instead of earning their right. Thanks to us who had the deciding vote. Don't worry Spurs who we binned off have done ok since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 On 15/11/2018 at 07:06, David said: Arsenal Aston Villa Birmingham Blackburn Bolton Chelsea Derby Everton Leeds Leicester Liverpool Manchester United Newcastle Portsmouth Sheffield Wednesday Sheffield United Sunderland Tottenham Hotspur West Brom West Ham Ok, maybe Portsmouth shouldn’t be in there, bit of a wildcard to stick in their as the atmosphere at Fratton Park can be pretty great. Couple of others such as Bolton and Sunderland are there because they spent years in the Prem, hard to say they are not worthy. Portsmouth rather than Fulham certainly. Coventry if were looking at length of top flight time. Think they spent about 40 straight seasons there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 On 17/11/2018 at 13:53, TigerTedd said: Good to think about regional representation. You want a few juicy derbies (so there’s an argument for Man City and maybe Norwich based on that), and a few good away days. Not sure why Ipswich are getting so much live though. Either have Ipswich with Norwich, or not at all. Ipswich are the most nothing of nothing clubs as far as I’m concerned. You’ve got to look way back in history for anything interesting happening to them. Not as far back as you have to look to find something we have won.....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Think Wolves should be; historically, and because I like them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Those who earn the right to be there. I cannot see anything other than arrogance when people claim that we should be in the Premier League ahead of the likes of Bournemouth off the back of what happened over 40 years ago and because we have a few more fans. They have every right to be there as a reward for their achievements, and we have no right to be there as a result of our consistent failure to get promoted. This will remain the case until we actually achieve something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, BurtonRam7 said: Those who earn the right to be there. I cannot see anything other than arrogance when people claim that we should be in the Premier League ahead of the likes of Bournemouth off the back of what happened over 40 years ago and because we have a few more fans. They have every right to be there as a reward for their achievements, and we have no right to be there as a result of our consistent failure to get promoted. This will remain the case until we actually achieve something. You sober? Thought so! Not half as interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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