Matlock Old Ram Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 In this mornings Express it reports that Leeds owner Andrea Radrizzani is unhappy with his club’s tiny share of the TV pot and is talking to other Championship Clib owners about changing the situation.....one of these being a breakaway PL2. Bet Mel’s interested in that!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, Matlock Old Ram said: In this mornings Express it reports that Leeds owner Andrea Radrizzani is unhappy with his club’s tiny share of the TV pot and is talking to other Championship Clib owners about changing the situation.....one of these being a breakaway PL2. Bet Mel’s interested in that!!! Comparison Radio Derby used this morning was that Leeds got just over £7M from the existing TV deal, whereas the team finishing bottom of the PL are guaranteed at least £100M - though re-branding as PL2 doesn't necessarily mean that they can persuade the TV companies to pay any more than they are willing to pay for rights to show the Championship. Like it or not, the PL is a huge brand and is sold around the globe - the division below doesn't suddenly become more attractive to TV companies just because it has a new name..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimRam Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 No what should happen is that Chelsea, Liverpool, Man U, Man C, Spurs, Arsenal should just break away and never come back. They have made the Premiership and cup competitions so predictable and the "Champions" league boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 That's also the name of the Under 23 League that we are in, so I don't think they'd be allowed to call it that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmic Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Wouldn’t work, a better deal is needed, not branding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 The only way this would work is if it was done in conjunction with the Premier League. I wouldn't be against reducing the PL to 16 teams to increase the quality of their "product", with perhaps a "PL2" of 16 teams below that. The EFL could then become 3 divisions of 20 with some of the smaller teams going part-time. Less games = less injuries and potentially a better quality of game & fan enjoyment of the game (reduced saturation), we could also nigh on scrap the crappy (non-televised) midweek games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Carnero said: The only way this would work is if it was done in conjunction with the Premier League. I wouldn't be against reducing the PL to 16 teams to increase the quality of their "product", with perhaps a "PL2" of 16 teams below that. The EFL could then become 3 divisions of 20 with some of the smaller teams going part-time. Less games = less injuries and potentially a better quality of game & fan enjoyment of the game (reduced saturation), we could also nigh on scrap the crappy (non-televised) midweek games. Agree with this too, maybe then set U23 games midweek to encourage more interest in the game at that level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: Agree with this too, maybe then set U23 games midweek to encourage more interest in the game at that level? They already are mainly midweek at the moment, but yes if there were no midweek games then it would likely encourage more attendees to the U23 games, for those who regularly need their football fix! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Gaspode said: Comparison Radio Derby used this morning was that Leeds got just over £7M from the existing TV deal, whereas the team finishing bottom of the PL are guaranteed at least £100M - though re-branding as PL2 doesn't necessarily mean that they can persuade the TV companies to pay any more than they are willing to pay for rights to show the Championship. Like it or not, the PL is a huge brand and is sold around the globe - the division below doesn't suddenly become more attractive to TV companies just because it has a new name..... I'm pretty sure the re-branding to the Championship was to try and drive extra TV revenues - So not sure what re-branding again would do 1 hour ago, TimRam said: No what should happen is that Chelsea, Liverpool, Man U, Man C, Spurs, Arsenal should just break away and never come back. They have made the Premiership and cup competitions so predictable and the "Champions" league boring. Interestingly you wouldn't have put Man City, Chelsea or Spurs in that bracket when I was a kid - And you wouldn't have put Spurs in there before 3-4 years ago So things can change 2 hours ago, Matlock Old Ram said: In this mornings Express it reports that Leeds owner Andrea Radrizzani is unhappy with his club’s tiny share of the TV pot and is talking to other Championship Clib owners about changing the situation.....one of these being a breakaway PL2. Bet Mel’s interested in that!!! I don't think it would work myself - The idea is that TV companies worldwide pay a huge amount to show the "top talent in the world" - Just renaming the league won't mean that's happening at our level We all got screwed by the FA when the PL was set up - Before then TV revenue was split 50% to the top league, 25% to the 2nd tier and 25% between the 3rd and 4th tier - The FA agreed to let the PL scrap that - So to get any extra revenue we'd need to get the PL clubs to agree to share more - Anyone think that seems likely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 24 minutes ago, cheron85 said: So to get any extra revenue we'd need to get the PL clubs to agree to share more - Anyone think that seems likely? Not impossible, seeing as 12-14 of the 20 current PL clubs will almost certainly be relegated to the Championship (or "PL2") within the next decade or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 47 minutes ago, Carnero said: Not impossible, seeing as 12-14 of the 20 current PL clubs will almost certainly be relegated to the Championship (or "PL2") within the next decade or two. True - But I think they operate on a 3/4 or 2/3 voting system for changes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 There has to be a way of getting a better balance between championship and PL. The gap in money is a chasm. i can’t help feeling that if there are parachute payments then there should be play off failure payments of a similar or related scale. Top 6 or even top 10 clubs should have something to rely on to temper the poo or bust mentality and give clubs a chance to make a profit, owning a championship club is like playing at a casino on borrowed money ... unless you have an Uncle Mel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 3 hours ago, Carnero said: The only way this would work is if it was done in conjunction with the Premier League. I wouldn't be against reducing the PL to 16 teams to increase the quality of their "product", with perhaps a "PL2" of 16 teams below that. The EFL could then become 3 divisions of 20 with some of the smaller teams going part-time. Less games = less injuries and potentially a better quality of game & fan enjoyment of the game (reduced saturation), we could also nigh on scrap the crappy (non-televised) midweek games. If the PL was reduced to 16 teams that would of course mean less games but, do you think they would receive the same TV revenue for fewer games? Seems unlikely to me in which case I can't imagine many of the PL clubs would be in favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 28 minutes ago, Tamworthram said: If the PL was reduced to 16 teams that would of course mean less games but, do you think they would receive the same TV revenue for fewer games? Seems unlikely to me in which case I can't imagine many of the PL clubs would be in favour. There are more games if "PL2" is sold along with "PL1" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealhantsram Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Carnero said: Not impossible, seeing as 12-14 of the 20 current PL clubs will almost certainly be relegated to the Championship (or "PL2") within the next decade or two. Yeah, that's a _very_ logical argument. The problem with it is that everyone thinks that it'll be the _other_ 12 and they'll be alright. It's like asking people 'should we increase income tax so we can spend more on social care for the elderly'. Most of us will need it. How many will say 'yes'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealhantsram Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 There's one thing... just one thing that would make Premier League clubs agree to this idea... and it's this... What they really want is a competitive league for their youngsters. In return they would want to be able to field "Arsenal B" etc in Premier League 2. Get competitive experience for their youngster... and yes another opportunity to take a slice of TV money. It would also probably mean more TV money on the table if there was the option to get these future England stars on the TV every week and the audiences that would watch Arsenal/ManU/Chelsea B teams (overseas too). Question for you all. Is that a deal worth making? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambalin Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 5 hours ago, Carnero said: The only way this would work is if it was done in conjunction with the Premier League. I wouldn't be against reducing the PL to 16 teams to increase the quality of their "product", with perhaps a "PL2" of 16 teams below that. The EFL could then become 3 divisions of 20 with some of the smaller teams going part-time. Less games = less injuries and potentially a better quality of game & fan enjoyment of the game (reduced saturation), we could also nigh on scrap the crappy (non-televised) midweek games. I would be against everything you suggested but then again I am traditionalist.In my opinion they should go back to calling it Divisions 1,2,3&4 and giving teams a share of gate receipts to even out the competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Carnero said: There are more games if "PL2" is sold along with "PL1" True but there would also be more teams spread across the two leagues. Also would the teams in PL1 receive any of the income paid by the TV companies for PL2 games? If not then they would see a drop in their income unless the TV companies increased the amount paid per PL1 game. I like the idea but I'm being a bit dim and struggling to see how the maths stack up in order to sell the concept to the PL1 teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Its a crock by the leeds owner. Lets say to make things more equal the pl teams take a smaller cut. Great, but fast forward 3 years if Leeds are established in the PL and the same was suggested he wouldn’t be interested in doing a deal, he wouldn't give a toss about tier 2. Ive a great idea mr leeds..you want more money? Get promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 41 minutes ago, Paul71 said: Its a crock by the leeds owner. Lets say to make things more equal the pl teams take a smaller cut. Great, but fast forward 3 years if Leeds are established in the PL and the same was suggested he wouldn’t be interested in doing a deal, he wouldn't give a toss about tier 2. Ive a great idea mr leeds..you want more money? Get promoted. Pretty much sums it up. The only way the sums would add up would be for a top 2 divisions to be smaller, and take even more of the cake than they do now! As for branding, the only reason I'm aware PL2 even exists is because we're in it above our 1st team level. Ask most fans of established PL teams what it is, and I'd venture the vast majority wouldn't have a clue it was the under 23's league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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