Steve How Hard? Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Curtains said: I’m in the Tom Lawrence camp. Who is Alpha lol. Agreed about TL. I don't think we should throw him out with the bath water just yet. There is a player in there somewhere. Just need to find a way of coaxing it or should coaching it out of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Steve How Hard? said: Agreed about TL. I don't think we should throw him out with the bath water just yet. There is a player in there somewhere. Just need to find a way of coaxing it or should coaching it out of him Frank likes him. Thats what matters mate . He can be frustratingly brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 35 minutes ago, Ellafella said: If it works? Or Fashion. The point Surely is to get behind defences...A winger beating his full-back is surely one of the simplest and most efficient ways to get down the entry of a side... If it's gone out of fashion, wouldn't that be because other approaches are proving to be more successful? Isn't there more chance of losing possession from a cross, so ultimately, less chance of scoring? The point for me from the OP was wondering whether we are actually talking about different kinds of players here, rather than the quality of particular individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Lambchop said: If it's gone out of fashion, wouldn't that be because other approaches are proving to be more successful? Isn't there more chance of losing possession from a cross, so ultimately, less chance of scoring? The point for me from the OP was wondering whether we are actually talking about different kinds of players here, rather than the quality of particular individuals. Yes, quite possibly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 2 hours ago, Millenniumram said: Think it’s more a case of we’re playing the wrong wingers rather than them all being useless, and some of the players we persist as playing wide aren’t actually widemen. I actually think we have better wingers than we have had previously, but we’ve gotta get them out there and replace some of our ‘fake’ wingers with some proper ones to compete imo. I don't think both players necessarily have to be 'widemen'. Particularly on the right where bogle is bombing on and has the appetite to take people on, the wide striker could be an inside forward. And thats why it can work with waghorn or bennett. on the left who is going to go on the outside? Certainly not tom lawrence because he is so right footed that he just can't do it. Thats why lawrence has to come infield, go narrow, or play central. At least one of the two should be a proper winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukedcfc Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 Harvey Barnes on loan, would of kept Jerome or Martin , and never would of signed waghorn. What a signing Barnes is for West Brom, also Dwight Gayle, they will finish top 2. I don't think we have terrible wingers, they just can't cross, like our past wingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marriot Ram99 Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 24 minutes ago, lukedcfc said: Harvey Barnes on loan, would of kept Jerome or Martin , and never would of signed waghorn. What a signing Barnes is for West Brom, also Dwight Gayle, they will finish top 2. I don't think we have terrible wingers, they just can't cross, like our past wingers. Our wingers can cross but we have nobody who can head that well and not many players in the box so it just looks like they can't cross players like Ronaldo and Crouch make most crosses look good due to their heading ability .I think playing 2 upfront sometimes may work and offer more options for our wingers to cross to. Waghorn is abetter player than Jerome it is just that he is not getting many opportunities to start and he has played mostly as a winger for us, id like to see him play upfront next to Nugent or Marriot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringerBell Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 22 hours ago, Millenniumram said: I’d say Bennett for example is a bench player Lawrence also, whilst more of a winger, isn’t quite right there either I wouldn’t say, Imo our only two wingers suited to playing in this formation naturally are Wilson and josefzoon. Imo those two are both quality players, arguably imo we’ve gotta get them out there and replace some of our ‘fake’ wingers with some proper ones to compete imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owd miner Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 On 05/10/2018 at 23:01, RamNut said: Tommy smith, gary micklewhite, ted "two legs" mcminn, gerry ryan, simmo, jeff chandler, i enjoyed watching all of them. (hinton ?) Nah he wont the best but Gary Micklwhite wont a bad crosser of the ball. At lesst when he gor it he would run forward instead of hitting actoss the pitch which then heads back ta goalie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Owd miner said: Nah he wont the best but Gary Micklwhite wont a bad crosser of the ball. At lesst when he gor it he would run forward instead of hitting actoss the pitch which then heads back ta goalie I'm sure you're correct my dear chap, whatever it was you just said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owd miner Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 To much Bitter last neet mi owd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FindernRam Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Not a lot of point having wingers that cross as we don't have bodies in the box and if we do they are mostly not good headers. Yesterday 10 corners no goals, no point crossing. Sure I know Lawrence got a fluke early season but that probably it for this year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilwellram Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 There’s not much point in putting high balls into the box with small strikers and tall defenders who deal with this quite easily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Gnarly Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 On 06/10/2018 at 12:29, RamNut said: I don't think both players necessarily have to be 'widemen'. Sorry to disappoint, he left us in the summer. I too was gutted to see him go ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 On 06/10/2018 at 09:53, Curtains said: I’m in the Tom Lawrence camp. Who is Alpha lol. Haha? In the Tom Lawrence camp do you all have your own tent that looks good when you're putting it up but then falls down when you need to use it? And I'm assuming that when you're eating roasted marshmallows or whatever happens in camp that nobody shares? Then you sing one good song together and forget what a terrible weekend it was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Think what’s been behind the said wingers at times that’s been the problem over last few seasons..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Mafiabob said: Think what’s been behind the said wingers at times that’s been the problem over last few seasons..... Keogh? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 40 minutes ago, Alpha said: Haha? In the Tom Lawrence camp do you all have your own tent that looks good when you're putting it up but then falls down when you need to use it? And I'm assuming that when you're eating roasted marshmallows or whatever happens in camp that nobody shares? Then you sing one good song together and forget what a terrible weekend it was? Dyb dyb dyb Dob dob dob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Alpha said: Haha? In the Tom Lawrence camp do you all have your own tent that looks good when you're putting it up but then falls down when you need to use it? And I'm assuming that when you're eating roasted marshmallows or whatever happens in camp that nobody shares? Then you sing one good song together and forget what a terrible weekend it was? a quick chorus of ging-gang-gooly and he's anyones............? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob The Badger Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 On 05/10/2018 at 14:10, Ellafella said: Perhaps we were spoiled at Derby by having a player like Hinton...has there ever been a better out and out winger who constantly delivered exorcet crosses? Terry Curran starred for a while but I struggle to add any more apart from Paul Simpson. Josefzoon has great potential; Ince was very effective at times but modern wingers don’t seem to have that knack of putting in telling crosses... Yikes. I'm sure some have been mentioned, I'm just too lazy to look. Leighton James Ted McMinn Nigel Callaghan Gordon Hill Gary Micklewhite (sometimes) Georgi Kinkladze (sometimes) Kris Commons Steve Carter Jamie Ward (barf) I've got your back, I mailed you some of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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