FindernRam Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Listening to all the losing Managers expressing relief that they no longer have to waste time on the "lowly" EFL Cup it struck me that something strange is going on. The EFL and FA Cups have much in common: Knockout drama, Final at Wembley, big shiny cup, poor prize money, more or less the same teams in it. I know a few non leaguers occasionally meet the big boys, but does this really explain the love for the FA Cup over the EFL? UEFA seem determined to have even more inter European leagues, on top of the Champions League, the losers league (sorry, UEFA Cup). Will this undermine our domestic cup competitions even more? I remember RAMS v JUVENTUS because it was a once in a lifetime event. If it was several times a season would it have stuck in my mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Managers jobs are judged on the league, with such short tenures it’s understandable why they have lost interest in cups or bringing through youth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 I think the emphasis oon cup games should be they're fun, different tto league pressure and enjoyable ffor players, fans and managers. Why the misery aabout them as a competition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 2 hours ago, David said: Managers jobs are judged on the league, with such short tenures it’s understandable why they have lost interest in cups or bringing through youth. Not really understandable when most clubs don't get either promoted or relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 16 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Not really understandable when most clubs don't get either promoted or relegated. Which is why so managers get sacked so often. Thats the game we're in now. Fight for the top where the money is and as a result it's removed value from the cup. You don't have to like it to understand it. It's down to the FL, PL and FA to figure out a way to change it. Giving clubs a route to Europe isn't enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 We need to go up for Mel Morris and for the financial security of the club. If those who chose the cup over promotion were agreeing for Mel to stop financing losses to the club would you still vote for the cup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FindernRam Posted September 27, 2018 Author Share Posted September 27, 2018 I agree the cup v promotion logic completely, but why is the FA valued more highly than the EFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 I'm surprised that TV company hasn't bought up the League Cup to sell a sports channel. Just imagine the 'BT Cup' which you can only watch on BT sports. The winning team gets £200m with decent prizes for all the last 16. I reckon it might get valued by clubs a bit more then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 23 minutes ago, FindernRam said: I agree the cup v promotion logic completely, but why is the FA valued more highly than the EFL? Speaking purely from a 45 year old perspective, the FA Cup was always more special, with greater historical significance: 1. The final was on BBC and was an event, with build up shows before the match 2. Non-league giant killings 3. Place in the Cup-Winners Cup - better than UEFA Cup? 4. Wasn't sponsored, unlike some of the dodgy names for the League Cup - Rumbelows, anyone? Nowadays money is the main issue. The financial benefits of winning or staying in the Premier League are such that neither of the cups can compete for financial clout & as such are always going to be a lower priority for owners & fans. Blimey, just seen this on Wiki: League Cup winners receive £100,000 prize money (awarded by the Football League) with the runners-up receiving £50,000, considered relatively insignificant to top-flight teams, compared to the £2 million prize money of the FA Cup, which is in turn eclipsed by the Premier League's television money (awarded on final league position) and consequent participation in the Champions League. Didn't know it was that bad, TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Still think our 4th spot for champions league should go to fa cup winners. At least you are champions of something and not rewarded for finishing nearly a quarter of the way down the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Paul71 said: Still think our 4th spot for champions league should go to fa cup winners. At least you are champions of something and not rewarded for finishing nearly a quarter of the way down the table. Almost a quarter… otherwise known as ‘a fifth’ ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, cannable said: Almost a quarter… otherwise known as ‘a fifth’ ? Still far from being a champion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Just rebrand the Champions League to something that makes sense, maybe something like the European Cup, exactly what it says on the tin. Or actually have a genuine Champions League, scrap the knockout stages and final, full on league where each champion plays each other. No more luck of the draw or warm balls, win the league, lift the trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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