LB_DCFC Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Wow. For those complaining about the leniency of FFP, well there you go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Kicking a club when it’s down. Looks like bully boy tactics to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 I don't agree with points deductions. Particularly for a team as crap as birmingham. mel's idea of points deductions based on salary spend is awful. Let the league table be decided on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB_DCFC Posted September 7, 2018 Author Share Posted September 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, HantsRam said: Kicking a club when it’s down. Looks like bully boy tactics to me. Feels like they are being made an example of, and this punishment is used as a strong deterrent to others. However, they broke the rules, they understood the repercussions and that there was a possibility of this occurring, and they still did it. Feel sorry for the fans the most, imagine your club spending big to only finish 19th and then get a points deduction. They had inept owners before, but this is terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB_DCFC Posted September 7, 2018 Author Share Posted September 7, 2018 Oh, and Harry Redknapp strikes again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kernow Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 It's the only way I think teams would take it seriously. Fines are a ridiculous punishment for over-spending. Oh you've spent too much? OK well now you have to pay more! Ha ha! I'd question why this decision has been taken against Birmingham and not QPR, Villa etc., but if teams see this sort of action being taken as a result, they may think twice about spending way above their means to try and get promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Seems harsh to do this to brim but not other clubs....QPR.....But yes, I agree, unless ppoints are taken off it'll bbeen seen by some as worthwhile rrisk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, Kernow said: It's the only way I think teams would take it seriously. Fines are a ridiculous punishment for over-spending. Oh you've spent too much? OK well now you have to pay more! Ha ha! I'd question why this decision has been taken against Birmingham and not QPR, Villa etc., but if teams see this sort of action being taken as a result, they may think twice about spending way above their means to try and get promotion. Didn’t Villa avoid punishment by bringing in investment which Sawiris now owns 55% of the club? Had it not been for that they also would have been up the creek without a paddle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnieronalde Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 I think this is a bit different QPR and villa though. Sure those clubs massively overspent but they didn't do it while in a transfer embargo. Birmingham had been instructed not to spend, they had been placed under a transfer embargo and still went out and spent two and half million quid on a full back. (He looks decent as well) You cant do that and expect to get away with it. If Burton had finished third bottom I'd be screaming for instant relegation, as we didn't a points reduction is fine ? 12 is steep, they'll have it cut to six after a costly appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WystonRam Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Leeds had a 10 a few years back and went down from the championship ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 I don’t particulary agree with ffp but it’s good to see a proper punishment being implemented. My question is why has this not been given to everyone? A fine is going to nothing, this will make teas actually think about continually breaking the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 This is to do with them agreeing not to spend because they'd breached FFP and then spending anyway - reports at the time said the league were seriously naffed of with them - looks as if this is the result.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexxxxx Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 35 minutes ago, WystonRam said: Leeds had a 10 a few years back and went down from the championship ? If I remember correctly they were playing Derby last game of the season and it looked like they'd go down anyway so they went into administration in the morning of the game or the day before to try and get the points deducted that season but the football league gave it to them the following season instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 1 hour ago, David said: Didn’t Villa avoid punishment by bringing in investment which Sawiris now owns 55% of the club? Had it not been for that they also would have been up the creek without a paddle This is what puzzles me regarding FFP. A club gets into trouble, presumably by spending upto and over the limits set by the EFL, and one way out of it seems to be by attracting new investment. I don't see how that encourages stability of ownership, which was one of the reasons FFP was introduced in the first place. Say Derby were in the same situation, how does bringing in new investment help stability, especially as we have an owner who may be willing to fund the excess over and above his current investment? He can't put in anymore due to the rules, so why doesn't that apply to new investment? Is it just the way the finances are recorded on paper that matters, with no consideration to the real world value of money given? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 The punishment kind of defeats the purpose though. I mean, the idea of FFP is for clubs to be sustainable. So one team breaks the rules, and the punishment is to fine them and dock points, mostly leading to relegation. So then that club is now even worse off financially? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: The punishment kind of defeats the purpose though. I mean, the idea of FFP is for clubs to be sustainable. So one team breaks the rules, and the punishment is to fine them and dock points, mostly leading to relegation. So then that club is now even worse off financially? Shouldn’t have promised to sort things out then ignored the agreement, different level of punishment. Out on remand then get caught for the same offence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 52 minutes ago, reveldevil said: This is what puzzles me regarding FFP. A club gets into trouble, presumably by spending upto and over the limits set by the EFL, and one way out of it seems to be by attracting new investment. I don't see how that encourages stability of ownership, which was one of the reasons FFP was introduced in the first place. Say Derby were in the same situation, how does bringing in new investment help stability, especially as we have an owner who may be willing to fund the excess over and above his current investment? He can't put in anymore due to the rules, so why doesn't that apply to new investment? Is it just the way the finances are recorded on paper that matters, with no consideration to the real world value of money given? Same applies with forest sort of, massively in debt, but because fawaz writes off debt when that dodgy greek guy comes in they suddenly post a profit of 30 million. Makes a mockery of ffp. Just let clubs spend what they want provided its not putting anyone into debt other than the person investing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kernow Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: The punishment kind of defeats the purpose though. I mean, the idea of FFP is for clubs to be sustainable. So one team breaks the rules, and the punishment is to fine them and dock points, mostly leading to relegation. So then that club is now even worse off financially? There needs to be one deterrent though. If teams are fined for spending too much, in what way are they dissuaded from continuing to overspend? If they're given a transfer embargo, they can still loan players or sign players for free, and they still have the players they've bought through their overspending, so although they're hampered by the embargo, it's not so far really caused hugely negative impacts for the club. I think it would be harsh on Birmingham for them to be the first recipient of this punishment when others have somehow escaped it, but if they are deducted points and go down, there's no better way of making clubs think twice about their spending. Owners would then be looking at the possibility of blowing a load of money to try and reach the PL, but if it fails they could face relegation, then we might see the market become slightly more stable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcanboy Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 But in all this ffp b******s, if championship teams comply with the reg's, how on earth are they expected to compete in the market place, against the teams with parachute payments? IMO this is one of the main factors in driving clubs to overspend & try to get on a level playingfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Ridiculous, but I bet my bottom dollar that there will no points deduction because of this. It's a load of balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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