v Ipswich Town (H) Match Thread

[biellaram]

22 hours ago, Wolfie20 said:

What???? Just a poser who's crap. Nothing constructive going forward and defensively inept. Plus his hair looks ridiculous.

Ha ha! Agree re his hair mate, but he was athletic, decent on the ball and got around the pitch supporting defence and attack. Problem was, he's in a crap team. With good players around he'd do well.

Power to the people!  

[DavesaRam]

Well, that was better, but not much!

Frank said that he wanted us to start brightly, so we spent the first few minutes "Clementing", with the ball rolling from defender to defender. But within a few minutes we started to press forwards and played some good balls into their penalty area. There were a number of really good attempted through balls, but they didn't quite come off, but the ideas are there, and we could have been 2 or 3 up with a bit of luck. Although Ipswich managed one shot wide of goal, we created the better openings and looked most likely to score, with several shots going close.

However, after about 30 minutes we suddenly seemed to realise that there was a bus parked in the Ipswich half, and we then struggled to create any openings. How come after having a number of shots and opportunities we suddenly couldn't create any? it was the same bus as before. Just a little something for us to work on - we can break through a parked bus scenario, until we don't think we can. Ho hum!

What was obvious was tha although Mick McCarthy has gone, he hasn't left the building. There was loads of pushing, pulling, obstructing, and above all else shirt pulling. We ought to have our shirts made with velcro'd seams down the front and back so that the whole shirt comes apart and flutters in the wind every time the opposition pull the shirt of a Derby player. It would be the only way for the match officials to see what was going on. The response is likely to be the same - "Oh, its only a Derby shirt getting pulled, so it doesn't matter".

Ipswich were really poor, and only managed 2 shots in the first half, with a couple of players being the ones you always leave till last when you and your schoolmates were picking sides for a dinner time kick-about.

Our defence, on the whole, looked pretty good, with Tomori looking assured, apart from once in the second half when he ran into trouble. Bogle looks very settled, steady on the ball, and knows which direction his team is kicking. Not quite as "marauding" going forwards and still has lots to learn, but a good prospect, and it is great that the youngsters are getting a look in at long last. Nugent played several really clever lay-offs and through balls, although, as I said earlier, they didn't quite come to anything. The defence looked much more composed for much of the match, but that was probably because Ipswich weren't playing an "in your face" pressing game, so our defence had more time to play the ball well. So not so much of a test, but it meant that they had a load of practice time to get used to this "play it out from the back" philosophy. They also seemed a little more willing to give the ball the required belt out of the stadium from time to time, so good progress there.

As with Mount against Reading, Ledley showed the value of having a shot from distance, but it took a deflection for us to score. That was effectively game over because Ipawich didn't really offer very much of any real danger. Our second goal sealed things, this time with the help of a goal-keeping mistake, although that is twice that Lawrence has scored when it seems the keeper should have saved it. Maybe Lawrence is able to get a whole load of wicked movement on the ball, making a save really difficult.

However, one of my observations is that the ref should have gone to Specsavers! It was absolutely baffling just what it was he was giving Ipswich their free-kicks for, and almost as baffling how on earth he was not giving free-kicks to the Rams, although the yellow cards for Bryson and Keogh were fully justified. For example, every time Tomori went for a ball against their no 10, you could see his shirt being pulled several feet away from his body, but neither the ref nor his assistant gave anything until late in the second half. His ineptness was typified when Marriott was chasing a long ball with the Ipswich defender running alongside for 20 or 30 yards with his arm pressing down on Marriott's shoulder. Marriott swerved this and that to shake him off, but somehow it was an Ipswich free-kick. What? Are we ever actually going to have a decent ref at a Rams match?

Something else I have noticed is that the atmosphere has changed almost completely from last season. There are sessions of singing and chanting, but overall the crowds, even in the South Stand where I stand seem almost as though they aren't bothered about the result. We may have learned to hold or promotion prospects lightly, but the passion has gone. Another reason could be that there has been the creation of yet another "singing block". It used to be that there was just one block in the South Stand where all the noisy, rowdy types stood and it was fairly easy to get things going. Now we have a number of areas where people think "We are the singing block", so when we are actually "up for it", there are a number of different chants being started up, often in competition with each other, and with none of the blocks actually big enough to carry the chant forwards and keep it going.

Finally, another contentious issue - Richard Keogh. He had an awful match last night, and he is a totally different player to what he was last year. What has gone wrong with him?

Well let me make a suggestion: it is because of this "play it out from the back" mentality. He is no longer allowed to surge forwards to make things happen  by carrying the ball into the opposition half, or set someone free with a through ball, things which he excelled at last season, acting almost as a midfield player. Now, when he gets the ball in a position where he would set off on a run, he stops, almost scratching his head to remember what he is supposed to do now, hence the Chuckle Brothers "to you, to me, to you, to me" sideways passing, the misplaced pass or getting caught in possession. So instead of passing it around the defenders, as well as the occasional "Row Z" treatment, we still need to let Keogh loose, just to shake things up a bit so the opposition don't which way we are going to go. Some of his body language last night said that he wasn't happy, and that he will soon have had enough. He didn't even acknowledge the fans last night, instead leaving the pitch really quickly. Come on, Richard, keep your head up!

A good thing about last night is that this was three points which we should have won, and which we did win, where in the past we could, and often would, end up with much less, so that is progress. There are signs, of what we can do and when it clicks, there will be a cricket score. Which season that will take place in is not clear. We have the potential to be really good, but are, as the buzz word says" a work in progress. Lets get ourselves behind the lads, and behind Frank and Jody, and look forwards to progress being made.

COME ON YOU RAMS!

[Mafiabob]

9 hours ago, DavesaRam said:

Well, that was better, but not much!

Frank said that he wanted us to start brightly, so we spent the first few minutes "Clementing", with the ball rolling from defender to defender. But within a few minutes we started to press forwards and played some good balls into their penalty area. There were a number of really good attempted through balls, but they didn't quite come off, but the ideas are there, and we could have been 2 or 3 up with a bit of luck. Although Ipswich managed one shot wide of goal, we created the better openings and looked most likely to score, with several shots going close.

However, after about 30 minutes we suddenly seemed to realise that there was a bus parked in the Ipswich half, and we then struggled to create any openings. How come after having a number of shots and opportunities we suddenly couldn't create any? it was the same bus as before. Just a little something for us to work on - we can break through a parked bus scenario, until we don't think we can. Ho hum!

What was obvious was tha although Mick McCarthy has gone, he hasn't left the building. There was loads of pushing, pulling, obstructing, and above all else shirt pulling. We ought to have our shirts made with velcro'd seams down the front and back so that the whole shirt comes apart and flutters in the wind every time the opposition pull the shirt of a Derby player. It would be the only way for the match officials to see what was going on. The response is likely to be the same - "Oh, its only a Derby shirt getting pulled, so it doesn't matter".

Ipswich were really poor, and only managed 2 shots in the first half, with a couple of players being the ones you always leave till last when you and your schoolmates were picking sides for a dinner time kick-about.

Our defence, on the whole, looked pretty good, with Tomori looking assured, apart from once in the second half when he ran into trouble. Bogle looks very settled, steady on the ball, and knows which direction his team is kicking. Not quite as "marauding" going forwards and still has lots to learn, but a good prospect, and it is great that the youngsters are getting a look in at long last. Nugent played several really clever lay-offs and through balls, although, as I said earlier, they didn't quite come to anything. The defence looked much more composed for much of the match, but that was probably because Ipswich weren't playing an "in your face" pressing game, so our defence had more time to play the ball well. So not so much of a test, but it meant that they had a load of practice time to get used to this "play it out from the back" philosophy. They also seemed a little more willing to give the ball the required belt out of the stadium from time to time, so good progress there.

As with Mount against Reading, Ledley showed the value of having a shot from distance, but it took a deflection for us to score. That was effectively game over because Ipawich didn't really offer very much of any real danger. Our second goal sealed things, this time with the help of a goal-keeping mistake, although that is twice that Lawrence has scored when it seems the keeper should have saved it. Maybe Lawrence is able to get a whole load of wicked movement on the ball, making a save really difficult.

However, one of my observations is that the ref should have gone to Specsavers! It was absolutely baffling just what it was he was giving Ipswich their free-kicks for, and almost as baffling how on earth he was not giving free-kicks to the Rams, although the yellow cards for Bryson and Keogh were fully justified. For example, every time Tomori went for a ball against their no 10, you could see his shirt being pulled several feet away from his body, but neither the ref nor his assistant gave anything until late in the second half. His ineptness was typified when Marriott was chasing a long ball with the Ipswich defender running alongside for 20 or 30 yards with his arm pressing down on Marriott's shoulder. Marriott swerved this and that to shake him off, but somehow it was an Ipswich free-kick. What? Are we ever actually going to have a decent ref at a Rams match?

Something else I have noticed is that the atmosphere has changed almost completely from last season. There are sessions of singing and chanting, but overall the crowds, even in the South Stand where I stand seem almost as though they aren't bothered about the result. We may have learned to hold or promotion prospects lightly, but the passion has gone. Another reason could be that there has been the creation of yet another "singing block". It used to be that there was just one block in the South Stand where all the noisy, rowdy types stood and it was fairly easy to get things going. Now we have a number of areas where people think "We are the singing block", so when we are actually "up for it", there are a number of different chants being started up, often in competition with each other, and with none of the blocks actually big enough to carry the chant forwards and keep it going.

Finally, another contentious issue - Richard Keogh. He had an awful match last night, and he is a totally different player to what he was last year. What has gone wrong with him?

Well let me make a suggestion: it is because of this "play it out from the back" mentality. He is no longer allowed to surge forwards to make things happen  by carrying the ball into the opposition half, or set someone free with a through ball, things which he excelled at last season, acting almost as a midfield player. Now, when he gets the ball in a position where he would set off on a run, he stops, almost scratching his head to remember what he is supposed to do now, hence the Chuckle Brothers "to you, to me, to you, to me" sideways passing, the misplaced pass or getting caught in possession. So instead of passing it around the defenders, as well as the occasional "Row Z" treatment, we still need to let Keogh loose, just to shake things up a bit so the opposition don't which way we are going to go. Some of his body language last night said that he wasn't happy, and that he will soon have had enough. He didn't even acknowledge the fans last night, instead leaving the pitch really quickly. Come on, Richard, keep your head up!

A good thing about last night is that this was three points which we should have won, and which we did win, where in the past we could, and often would, end up with much less, so that is progress. There are signs, of what we can do and when it clicks, there will be a cricket score. Which season that will take place in is not clear. We have the potential to be really good, but are, as the buzz word says" a work in progress. Lets get ourselves behind the lads, and behind Frank and Jody, and look forwards to progress being made.

COME ON YOU RAMS!

Every time I read your observations, you lay into a match official..... 

[SaintRam]

1 minute ago, Mafiabob said:

Every time I read your observations, you lay into a match official..... 

Seems unnecessarily cruel for you to keep reading them then. ?

[Mafiabob]

15 minutes ago, SaintRam said:

Seems unnecessarily cruel for you to keep reading them then. ?

Haha, just bothers me, not saying they are perfect, far from it..... just seems to me some are happy to see them as fair game and want to give them stick no matter what. Young refs on a Sunday have little chance 

[DavesaRam]

1 hour ago, Mafiabob said:

Every time I read your observations, you lay into a match official..... 

Agreed, Mafiamob. Tell you what, when we actually get a good ref, I won’t lay into him. Promise.

 

Until then .......

[Jimbo Ram]

11 hours ago, DavesaRam said:

Well, that was better, but not much!

Frank said that he wanted us to start brightly, so we spent the first few minutes "Clementing", with the ball rolling from defender to defender. But within a few minutes we started to press forwards and played some good balls into their penalty area. There were a number of really good attempted through balls, but they didn't quite come off, but the ideas are there, and we could have been 2 or 3 up with a bit of luck. Although Ipswich managed one shot wide of goal, we created the better openings and looked most likely to score, with several shots going close.

However, after about 30 minutes we suddenly seemed to realise that there was a bus parked in the Ipswich half, and we then struggled to create any openings. How come after having a number of shots and opportunities we suddenly couldn't create any? it was the same bus as before. Just a little something for us to work on - we can break through a parked bus scenario, until we don't think we can. Ho hum!

What was obvious was tha although Mick McCarthy has gone, he hasn't left the building. There was loads of pushing, pulling, obstructing, and above all else shirt pulling. We ought to have our shirts made with velcro'd seams down the front and back so that the whole shirt comes apart and flutters in the wind every time the opposition pull the shirt of a Derby player. It would be the only way for the match officials to see what was going on. The response is likely to be the same - "Oh, its only a Derby shirt getting pulled, so it doesn't matter".

Ipswich were really poor, and only managed 2 shots in the first half, with a couple of players being the ones you always leave till last when you and your schoolmates were picking sides for a dinner time kick-about.

Our defence, on the whole, looked pretty good, with Tomori looking assured, apart from once in the second half when he ran into trouble. Bogle looks very settled, steady on the ball, and knows which direction his team is kicking. Not quite as "marauding" going forwards and still has lots to learn, but a good prospect, and it is great that the youngsters are getting a look in at long last. Nugent played several really clever lay-offs and through balls, although, as I said earlier, they didn't quite come to anything. The defence looked much more composed for much of the match, but that was probably because Ipswich weren't playing an "in your face" pressing game, so our defence had more time to play the ball well. So not so much of a test, but it meant that they had a load of practice time to get used to this "play it out from the back" philosophy. They also seemed a little more willing to give the ball the required belt out of the stadium from time to time, so good progress there.

As with Mount against Reading, Ledley showed the value of having a shot from distance, but it took a deflection for us to score. That was effectively game over because Ipawich didn't really offer very much of any real danger. Our second goal sealed things, this time with the help of a goal-keeping mistake, although that is twice that Lawrence has scored when it seems the keeper should have saved it. Maybe Lawrence is able to get a whole load of wicked movement on the ball, making a save really difficult.

However, one of my observations is that the ref should have gone to Specsavers! It was absolutely baffling just what it was he was giving Ipswich their free-kicks for, and almost as baffling how on earth he was not giving free-kicks to the Rams, although the yellow cards for Bryson and Keogh were fully justified. For example, every time Tomori went for a ball against their no 10, you could see his shirt being pulled several feet away from his body, but neither the ref nor his assistant gave anything until late in the second half. His ineptness was typified when Marriott was chasing a long ball with the Ipswich defender running alongside for 20 or 30 yards with his arm pressing down on Marriott's shoulder. Marriott swerved this and that to shake him off, but somehow it was an Ipswich free-kick. What? Are we ever actually going to have a decent ref at a Rams match?

Something else I have noticed is that the atmosphere has changed almost completely from last season. There are sessions of singing and chanting, but overall the crowds, even in the South Stand where I stand seem almost as though they aren't bothered about the result. We may have learned to hold or promotion prospects lightly, but the passion has gone. Another reason could be that there has been the creation of yet another "singing block". It used to be that there was just one block in the South Stand where all the noisy, rowdy types stood and it was fairly easy to get things going. Now we have a number of areas where people think "We are the singing block", so when we are actually "up for it", there are a number of different chants being started up, often in competition with each other, and with none of the blocks actually big enough to carry the chant forwards and keep it going.

Finally, another contentious issue - Richard Keogh. He had an awful match last night, and he is a totally different player to what he was last year. What has gone wrong with him?

Well let me make a suggestion: it is because of this "play it out from the back" mentality. He is no longer allowed to surge forwards to make things happen  by carrying the ball into the opposition half, or set someone free with a through ball, things which he excelled at last season, acting almost as a midfield player. Now, when he gets the ball in a position where he would set off on a run, he stops, almost scratching his head to remember what he is supposed to do now, hence the Chuckle Brothers "to you, to me, to you, to me" sideways passing, the misplaced pass or getting caught in possession. So instead of passing it around the defenders, as well as the occasional "Row Z" treatment, we still need to let Keogh loose, just to shake things up a bit so the opposition don't which way we are going to go. Some of his body language last night said that he wasn't happy, and that he will soon have had enough. He didn't even acknowledge the fans last night, instead leaving the pitch really quickly. Come on, Richard, keep your head up!

A good thing about last night is that this was three points which we should have won, and which we did win, where in the past we could, and often would, end up with much less, so that is progress. There are signs, of what we can do and when it clicks, there will be a cricket score. Which season that will take place in is not clear. We have the potential to be really good, but are, as the buzz word says" a work in progress. Lets get ourselves behind the lads, and behind Frank and Jody, and look forwards to progress being made.

COME ON YOU RAMS!

If we play like that against a decent side the cricket score will be in our net like it was against the Dirties.....let's hope things improve.

[Mafiabob]

1 hour ago, DavesaRam said:

Agreed, Mafiamob. Tell you what, when we actually get a good ref, I won’t lay into him. Promise.

 

Until then .......

What defines a good ref in your eyes then? 

Majority get 95% of decisions correct in a game.

THEY ARE NOT ROBOTS.

 

[kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong]

3 hours ago, Mafiabob said:

Haha, just bothers me, not saying they are perfect, far from it..... just seems to me some are happy to see them as fair game and want to give them stick no matter what. Young refs on a Sunday have little chance 

I thought the review was very fair to be honest...it's pretty natural to include the officials in it when they are such a big contributor to the overall game picture.

And to be fair it was a small part of his assessment.

[DavesaRam]

1 hour ago, Mafiabob said:

What defines a good ref in your eyes then? 

Majority get 95% of decisions correct in a game.

THEY ARE NOT ROBOTS.

 

One who is even-handed in his decision making. Actually getting things 100% right all the time isn't a pre-requisite. What gets my goat is when a ref persistently lets one team get away with time-wasting, WWF manouvres, thug tackles, kicking the ball away, standing a man on the ball for free-kicks virtually every time to prevent a quick free-kick and so on. For Derby matches it won't necessarily be all of these, but at least two will be obvious. And while all this is going on, he is giving free-kicks against Derby for comparitive non-events, and it might be worth noting in how many matches we end up with more Derby players getting booked then the opposition. For example against Leeds - they put Lawrence out of the game with two hefty fouls which should both have been yellow cards, but none were given. We did score, but Tom was inneffective from then onwards, so who was really punished? And by 90 minutes, Derby had 5 players on yellow cards, Leeds had none, despite the persistent fouls and so on. Then, in time added on the ref booked a Leeds player for standing in front of the ball, as already mentioned, when they had done this all game long. 

Or lets go back 2 or 3 seasons to the away match at Norwich. Johnny Russell was kicked to kingdom come, being literally lifted up in the air on one occasion. HE had 2 or 3 lengthy bouts of treatment, and was taken off at half-time because he could hardly walk. Barely a yellow card for any of this, but Jacob Butterfield, who had not been on the pitch for long, got a red card for a strong challenge when he actually got the ball. A red for one offence, but nothing for persistent fouling (with intent).

Back to Tuesday night with the Ipswich number 10 constantly pulling Tomori's shirt off his back, always within close distance of either the ref or the assistant, so one of them  would see each offence, but nothing given right until the last few minutes.

I could go on for hours because there are hours and hours of evidence spanning back several seasons. The competence of the officials isn't the issue, it is their lack of even-handedness which is what I , and many others get angry about. I would reckon it nigh on impossible to point to a match at Pride Park where you could describe the ref as a "homer", unless you know different. We only get to see "homer" referees when Derby County are the away team.

[Rambalin]

1 hour ago, DavesaRam said:

One who is even-handed in his decision making. Actually getting things 100% right all the time isn't a pre-requisite. What gets my goat is when a ref persistently lets one team get away with time-wasting, WWF manouvres, thug tackles, kicking the ball away, standing a man on the ball for free-kicks virtually every time to prevent a quick free-kick and so on. For Derby matches it won't necessarily be all of these, but at least two will be obvious. And while all this is going on, he is giving free-kicks against Derby for comparitive non-events, and it might be worth noting in how many matches we end up with more Derby players getting booked then the opposition. For example against Leeds - they put Lawrence out of the game with two hefty fouls which should both have been yellow cards, but none were given. We did score, but Tom was inneffective from then onwards, so who was really punished? And by 90 minutes, Derby had 5 players on yellow cards, Leeds had none, despite the persistent fouls and so on. Then, in time added on the ref booked a Leeds player for standing in front of the ball, as already mentioned, when they had done this all game long. 

Or lets go back 2 or 3 seasons to the away match at Norwich. Johnny Russell was kicked to kingdom come, being literally lifted up in the air on one occasion. HE had 2 or 3 lengthy bouts of treatment, and was taken off at half-time because he could hardly walk. Barely a yellow card for any of this, but Jacob Butterfield, who had not been on the pitch for long, got a red card for a strong challenge when he actually got the ball. A red for one offence, but nothing for persistent fouling (with intent).

Back to Tuesday night with the Ipswich number 10 constantly pulling Tomori's shirt off his back, always within close distance of either the ref or the assistant, so one of them  would see each offence, but nothing given right until the last few minutes.

I could go on for hours because there are hours and hours of evidence spanning back several seasons. The competence of the officials isn't the issue, it is their lack of even-handedness which is what I , and many others get angry about. I would reckon it nigh on impossible to point to a match at Pride Park where you could describe the ref as a "homer", unless you know different. We only get to see "homer" referees when Derby County are the away team.

Has a referee myself what you have written in that long rant is nothing short of laughable.You judge every foul on its  merits and it is purely your decision on what punishment is required  if at all.

No referee is ever biased and they have good and bad games just like players.

I am afraid your eyes only see things from a black and white point of view if you look on other forums their view will be in direct contrast too yours.

[Mafiabob]

3 hours ago, DavesaRam said:

One who is even-handed in his decision making. Actually getting things 100% right all the time isn't a pre-requisite. What gets my goat is when a ref persistently lets one team get away with time-wasting, WWF manouvres, thug tackles, kicking the ball away, standing a man on the ball for free-kicks virtually every time to prevent a quick free-kick and so on. For Derby matches it won't necessarily be all of these, but at least two will be obvious. And while all this is going on, he is giving free-kicks against Derby for comparitive non-events, and it might be worth noting in how many matches we end up with more Derby players getting booked then the opposition. For example against Leeds - they put Lawrence out of the game with two hefty fouls which should both have been yellow cards, but none were given. We did score, but Tom was inneffective from then onwards, so who was really punished? And by 90 minutes, Derby had 5 players on yellow cards, Leeds had none, despite the persistent fouls and so on. Then, in time added on the ref booked a Leeds player for standing in front of the ball, as already mentioned, when they had done this all game long. 

Or lets go back 2 or 3 seasons to the away match at Norwich. Johnny Russell was kicked to kingdom come, being literally lifted up in the air on one occasion. HE had 2 or 3 lengthy bouts of treatment, and was taken off at half-time because he could hardly walk. Barely a yellow card for any of this, but Jacob Butterfield, who had not been on the pitch for long, got a red card for a strong challenge when he actually got the ball. A red for one offence, but nothing for persistent fouling (with intent).

Back to Tuesday night with the Ipswich number 10 constantly pulling Tomori's shirt off his back, always within close distance of either the ref or the assistant, so one of them  would see each offence, but nothing given right until the last few minutes.

I could go on for hours because there are hours and hours of evidence spanning back several seasons. The competence of the officials isn't the issue, it is their lack of even-handedness which is what I , and many others get angry about. I would reckon it nigh on impossible to point to a match at Pride Park where you could describe the ref as a "homer", unless you know different. We only get to see "homer" referees when Derby County are the away team.

Hilarious, so you moan about the lack of decisions that go for Derby, I can probably point to all clubs fans who would have the same grumble as you..... you see things through Derby County fans eyes alone.

Its every single game you comment on referees and moan. I know they don’t get everything right, but I can assure you that they are even handed in this country. On one hand you complain about even handedness then contradict yourself by talking about referees are not homers when Derby play at home?????

I just think it’s a veiled attempt to consistently kick referees constantly. 

 

[DavesaRam]

2 hours ago, Beagle said:

Has a referee myself what you have written in that long rant is nothing short of laughable.You judge every foul on its  merits and it is purely your decision on what punishment is required  if at all.

No referee is ever biased and they have good and bad games just like players.

I am afraid your eyes only see things from a black and white point of view if you look on other forums their view will be in direct contrast too yours.

It is highly likely I am looking at things from a DCFC perspective, but surely I am not totally biased? Were Derby County so dirty, and so full of cheating that they ended up with 5 yellow cards to Leeds's 0 by 90 minutes, and were Leeds so clearly devoid of any misdoing whatsoever, as the card score would indicate? I think not.

There are other qualified referees, one in particular on the "Come On You Rams" forum who regularly concur with me, not to the extremes I would seem to go to, but you are the first to suggest that i am almost completely out of line.

[Rambalin]

1 hour ago, DavesaRam said:

It is highly likely I am looking at things from a DCFC perspective, but surely I am not totally biased? Were Derby County so dirty, and so full of cheating that they ended up with 5 yellow cards to Leeds's 0 by 90 minutes, and were Leeds so clearly devoid of any misdoing whatsoever, as the card score would indicate? I think not.

There are other qualified referees, one in particular on the "Come On You Rams" forum who regularly concur with me, not to the extremes I would seem to go to, but you are the first to suggest that i am almost completely out of line.

Just shows  like I said that each ref views things from his own eyes.

On the Leeds game I thought each card was fully justified and maybe on another day he would issue more or less.The flow of that game meant Derby were always going to end up with more yellows..it is normally the case in such games.

If you call out the integrity of referees them I will call you out each time but if you ask me if we get every decision correct the answer is no.Th players and the play is moving at speed so is the referee he has to make a near instant decision,he will have players moving across his vision whilst also trying keep a wider view around than just ball.

He does not have the luxury like we do of sitting in a stand with a wonderful view and the lack of pressure.

I suggest you get hold of Howard Webb or Mark Halsey's books and see just what they had to put up with to be reffing games at the top level.

I

[Sith Happens]

4 hours ago, Beagle said:

Has a referee myself what you have written in that long rant is nothing short of laughable.You judge every foul on its  merits and it is purely your decision on what punishment is required  if at all.

No referee is ever biased and they have good and bad games just like players.

I am afraid your eyes only see things from a black and white point of view if you look on other forums their view will be in direct contrast too yours.

 

2 hours ago, Mafiabob said:

Hilarious, so you moan about the lack of decisions that go for Derby, I can probably point to all clubs fans who would have the same grumble as you..... you see things through Derby County fans eyes alone.

Its every single game you comment on referees and moan. I know they don’t get everything right, but I can assure you that they are even handed in this country. On one hand you complain about even handedness then contradict yourself by talking about referees are not homers when Derby play at home?????

I just think it’s a veiled attempt to consistently kick referees constantly. 

 

I mostly agree. I do still think referees are not consistent enough. Thats all i want to see. 

The leeds game was a good example. Two early challenges from leeds players worthy of a yellow got a warning only. 

Not saying this is biased against derby i know its not, but a bookable offence should be just that regardless of when it occurs in the game. 

I still however believe bobby madely had a pre conception that Chris Martin was a diver before our game against Burnley all those years ago.

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29 minutes ago, Paul71 said:

 

I mostly agree. I do still think referees are not consistent enough. Thats all i want to see. 

The leeds game was a good example. Two early challenges from leeds players worthy of a yellow got a warning only. 

Not saying this is biased against derby i know its not, but a bookable offence should be just that regardless of when it occurs in the game. 

I still however believe bobby madely had a pre conception that Chris Martin was a diver before our game against Burnley all those years ago.

That one still smarts. Robbed us a good goal.

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1 minute ago, RadioactiveWaste said:

That one still smarts. Robbed us a good goal.

Agree,  dont think Martin is fouled just falls over as he turns. Doesn't appeal or anything.