MackworthRamIsGod Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 With the many signings made I was surprised we didn't buy a top quality midfielder in the mould of Tom Cairney or a younger Charlie Adam, someone who not only runs midfield but the game. When was the last time we had a midfielder who bossed the game? Hughes? Eustace? Hendrick? I think Frank needs to use the loan window to go and get a couple of decent midfielders with the ability to run for 90 minutes. Easier said than done as I have no idea who is available. Midfield is the area we consistently struggled with since the first Mac season, sort that and the rest will fall into place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiddingsRam Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 I don't think that's the problems , I think the problem is the holding midfield area . In my opinion it's the most important role in a fluid 433 , like the glue , holds the whole team together. Can drop into the back 2 to make a 3 when the full backs are bombing on. Then when attacking literally sits and controls the game from deep , allowing the 2 other midfield players to bomb on. A fit Thorne would be absolutely perfect for this role but unfortunately I don't think we will see this , which to me is sad because there's so much talent there. Just imagine how different the game may have been yesterday with him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Spot on ? We need someone better than Bryson in midfield who was chasing shadows yesterday and looked out of his depth for me. Putting Huddlestone back in will make the team more composed. Huddlestone Loan Midfielder Mount will make us a lot more balanced. I’d also like another right back too who is good offensively. A right sided Scott Malone would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, McLovin said: Spot on ? We need someone better than Bryson in midfield who was chasing shadows yesterday and looked out of his depth for me. Putting Huddlestone back in will make the team more composed. Bryson was chasing shadows as he was one of the few closing down. Huddlestone is a juggernaut and limited and is not the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuskus Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 CDM=Evans CM=loan midfielder possibly odegaard CM=Mount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EraniosSocks Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 The player who would suit this system would be Ryan woods but would he come on a loan with view for a perm? I doubt it. It it makes me sad looking at Bryson like that, he is such a shadow of the player that scored that beautiful hat trick against them lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Just now, RoyMac5 said: Bryson was chasing shadows as he was one of the few closing down. Huddlestone is a juggernaut and limited and is not the answer. You’re entitled to your opinion but I disagree. His reckless running meant that the rest of the midfield became too stretched. How many times did Leeds go through the midfield easily? Too many times. Bryson’s fine as a squad player but isn’t the answer as a starter. Mount does everything that Bryson does but at a higher level. Would much rather have someone who is composed on the ball instead of Bryson which would allow Mount to play closer to the opposition goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 1 minute ago, EraniosSocks said: The player who would suit this system would be Ryan woods but would he come on a loan with view for a perm? I doubt it. It it makes me sad looking at Bryson like that, he is such a shadow of the player that scored that beautiful hat trick against them lot Tomori and Bryson and Keogh were the three who kept going in the game where many others simply hid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said: Bryson was chasing shadows as he was one of the few closing down. Huddlestone is a juggernaut and limited and is not the answer. Wilson, Mount and Lawrence are all poor defensively and this put extra pressure on Bryson who was left in a finger in the dyke position. You need to defend as a team and we just didn't do that yesterday. Learning curve for the younger players, not helped by poor showings from their more experienced counterparts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, McLovin said: You’re entitled to your opinion but I disagree. His reckless running meant that the rest of the midfield became too stretched. How many times did Leeds go through the midfield easily? Too many times. Bryson’s fine as a squad player but isn’t the answer as a starter. Mount does everything that Bryson does but at a higher level. Would much rather have someone who is composed on the ball instead of Bryson which would allow Mount to play closer to the opposition goal. HOw is Mount going to be composed on the ball if he never gets it! He needed to do much more yesterday to earn that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Been saying this for awhile now. But apparently we have loads of centre mids. Pity none of them are good enough. woods and mcguinn would have been my preferred options. Maybe Evans and Holmes are Franks answers. The midfield 3 are vital to this system and our current options aren’t in evidence good enough, balance wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EraniosSocks Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, Sparkle said: Tomori and Bryson and Keogh were the three who kept going in the game where many others simply hid What Keogh did you watch. I watched a blundering idiot who fancied going up the pitch 30 yards, take time to look around for a pass then lose the ball allowing Them to counter. Oh and he made the good old backpasses to Carson. He is a bad smell at Derby has been for many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doodle Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, McLovin said: You’re entitled to your opinion but I disagree. His reckless running meant that the rest of the midfield became too stretched. How many times did Leeds go through the midfield easily? Too many times. Bryson’s fine as a squad player but isn’t the answer as a starter. Mount does everything that Bryson does but at a higher level. Would much rather have someone who is composed on the ball instead of Bryson which would allow Mount to play closer to the opposition goal. As poor as Bryson was yesterday the major problem was numbers. We were struggling with their system and failed to make the changes required Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Already criticising after one game when players are new. Holmes and Evans seemingly being disregarded by saying brining in new players without them given a chance. We have the most ridiculous link with Odegarrd and one poster here is now saying he's our central midfield answer. Let me tell you guys, brining in another kid into the centre mid isn't going to solve the problems. We have to give this formation and certain players time to impose themselves. I'm not sure if Huddlestone, Ledley, Evans (as I don't know him) or Thorne are the right players but we need to try and coach the players as to what we want. I don't recall there being many issues with gaps in the midfield when Mac was playing this formation so it does work with the right personnel. It is not a disaster after one game. Give the team time. What is critical for me though is that Lampard gets the guys in the team who he genuinely thinks will be in the team in 2-3 months time. I don't think this will be Ledley or Johnson or Lowe so let's get the new guys in now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, EraniosSocks said: What Keogh did you watch. I watched a blundering idiot who fancied going up the pitch 30 yards, take time to look around for a pass then lose the ball allowing Them to counter. Oh and he made the good old backpasses to Carson. He is a bad smell at Derby has been for many years. I watched somebody trying to do other people’s jobs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remy the hare Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 58 minutes ago, rammieib said: Already criticising after one game when players are new. Holmes and Evans seemingly being disregarded by saying brining in new players without them given a chance. We have the most ridiculous link with Odegarrd and one poster here is now saying he's our central midfield answer. Let me tell you guys, brining in another kid into the centre mid isn't going to solve the problems. We have to give this formation and certain players time to impose themselves. I'm not sure if Huddlestone, Ledley, Evans (as I don't know him) or Thorne are the right players but we need to try and coach the players as to what we want. I don't recall there being many issues with gaps in the midfield when Mac was playing this formation so it does work with the right personnel. It is not a disaster after one game. Give the team time. What is critical for me though is that Lampard gets the guys in the team who he genuinely thinks will be in the team in 2-3 months time. I don't think this will be Ledley or Johnson or Lowe so let's get the new guys in now. Completely agree. However where does Marriott fit in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 1 hour ago, rammieib said: Already criticising after one game when players are new. Holmes and Evans seemingly being disregarded by saying brining in new players without them given a chance. We have the most ridiculous link with Odegarrd and one poster here is now saying he's our central midfield answer. Let me tell you guys, brining in another kid into the centre mid isn't going to solve the problems. We have to give this formation and certain players time to impose themselves. I'm not sure if Huddlestone, Ledley, Evans (as I don't know him) or Thorne are the right players but we need to try and coach the players as to what we want. I don't recall there being many issues with gaps in the midfield when Mac was playing this formation so it does work with the right personnel. It is not a disaster after one game. Give the team time. What is critical for me though is that Lampard gets the guys in the team who he genuinely thinks will be in the team in 2-3 months time. I don't think this will be Ledley or Johnson or Lowe so let's get the new guys in now. What an outrageously sensible post. I suggest you take a minute to practice "Keogh is a liability", "how does Lawrence keep getting a game" etc. and come back with a more knee jerk reaction in keeping with some of the posts on this forum and calls/texts to radio Derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete2 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 1 hour ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: With the many signings made I was surprised we didn't buy a top quality midfielder in the mould of Tom Cairney or a younger Charlie Adam, someone who not only runs midfield but the game. When was the last time we had a midfielder who bossed the game? Hughes? Eustace? Hendrick? I think Frank needs to use the loan window to go and get a couple of decent midfielders with the ability to run for 90 minutes. Easier said than done as I have no idea who is available. Midfield is the area we consistently struggled with since the first Mac season, sort that and the rest will fall into place. I do wonder how on earth Cardiff ever got promoted. Not ony were they second best in the two games against us but Bryson was a regular for them, but hes not done anything for us since 2013/14 season. Ledley looks pretty past it too. Mount was good but wasteful with his chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 2 hours ago, rammieib said: Already criticising after one game when players are new. Holmes and Evans seemingly being disregarded by saying brining in new players without them given a chance. We have the most ridiculous link with Odegarrd and one poster here is now saying he's our central midfield answer. Let me tell you guys, brining in another kid into the centre mid isn't going to solve the problems. We have to give this formation and certain players time to impose themselves. I'm not sure if Huddlestone, Ledley, Evans (as I don't know him) or Thorne are the right players but we need to try and coach the players as to what we want. I don't recall there being many issues with gaps in the midfield when Mac was playing this formation so it does work with the right personnel. It is not a disaster after one game. Give the team time. What is critical for me though is that Lampard gets the guys in the team who he genuinely thinks will be in the team in 2-3 months time. I don't think this will be Ledley or Johnson or Lowe so let's get the new guys in now. The Mac 1 did work and I suppose the most obvious difference looking at it today from my viewpoint would be that the likes of hughes Hendrick Forsyth were very experienced compared to some we have now as well as we had very experienced and very hardworking wide players in ward and Russell and when thorne was introduced he was totally fit and the other departments were working well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 23 minutes ago, Sparkle said: The Mac 1 did work and I suppose the most obvious difference looking at it today from my viewpoint would be that the likes of hughes Hendrick Forsyth were very experienced compared to some we have now as well as we had very experienced and very hardworking wide players in ward and Russell and when thorne was introduced he was totally fit and the other departments were working well Entirely why we need to give it time. Some people are criticising on here after one loss. What chance does Frank have with fans like that? Also I wouldn't have described Hughes, Forsyth or Thorne as experienced under Mac 1. I bet all in, our current players have more appearances under their belt now than they did when Mac came in. No denying the defensive midfielder spot needs consolidating, and I think most agree Malone needs bedding in but that aside, nothing too much needs changing. Just hard work needs applying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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