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1 minute ago, cannable said:

You don’t rate Shackell who’s an immaculate defender but average on the ball and don’t rate Keogh who’s excellent on the ball but is an average defender.

Just what exactly do you expect from a Championship centre-half? Baresi? 

All you need from  a championship defender is someone like Barker or shackell at their peaks who were solid and knew when to hoof it rather than over playing.

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4 minutes ago, WAGHORNY RAM99 said:

All you need from  a championship defender is someone like Barker or shackell at their peaks who were solid and knew when to hoof it rather than over playing.

Fulham, Mac 1, Swansea, etcetera would have all been worse with Shackell in their side. Shackell’s inability on the ball was what caused Clement’s system to crumble.

We’ve seen how a head and kick it centre-half in Pearce gets eviscerated when asked to play out from the back in a high line. 

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Tomori was outstanding the rest of the defence, wow. Shocking springs to mind. However never been a Keogh fan he has had more recent years of protection via a holding midfielder to erase his mistakes. His footballing brain is horrendous and yes, he does give 110% but that doesn’t warrant a start. When has Pearce ever put a foot wrong? May I add ? 

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38 minutes ago, TomBustler1884 said:

I don't hate on Keogh ever, however I thought he had a poor game today positionally and was caught far too often wanting time when there wasnt any.

Wasnt the worst though.

Absolutely agree although I do blame him for global warming, the refugee crisis and the election of Trump.

seriously though, I have consistently defended Keogh but, assuming he is fit, I'd probably replace him with Davies for the Millwall game.

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51 minutes ago, TroyDyer said:

Why do multiple managers keep failing and getting fired? Hmmm. 

Not good enough. Never been good enough. Never will be good enough. 

If effort was enough, he'd be a worldy. It isn't.

That last line says it all. Well done, in a nutshell.

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Keoghs had undeserved attacks in the past but he’s started this season appalling. And I fear it may not just be poor form. I’ve always rated Keogh as a player but I’ve always said his weakness is his awareness and I think that’s what’s being exposed. He then starts to panic and launch the ball rather than play considered passes out the back. In the system we play defensive awareness is vital, and I fear Keogh may not be up to the task. This could be his end, Tomori was largely excellent and will deservedly keep his place

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Crazy Keogh hating sounds like there is no lead up to it, like it came from nowhere like when Beckham lashed out at Simeone. 

But it's nothing like that. It's the same thing over and over and over again. Better players have come and gone, been sold on the cheap, or never given a proper crack at it. And all the while there is a new contract on the table for a guy that despite decent runs of form, has always let the club down when it's really come down to it. 

He's started this season, under a new manager,  a fresh start,  how he's played most seasons. A confused mess. At 32 that isn't going to change. 

6 years of earning out of derby in a week,  what most derby fans don't even earn in a year. 

The Keogh calling out isn't crazy, what's crazy is that he's still being played. Although I think Lampard is a tad more intelligent than the rest, and will see through the gumpf. 

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1 hour ago, cannable said:

You don’t rate Shackell who’s an immaculate defender but average on the ball and don’t rate Keogh who’s excellent on the ball but is an average defender.

Just what exactly do you expect from a Championship centre-half? Baresi? 

Someone who can head it and kick it. 

It is the easiest position on the pitch to play... 

What makes it worse is that I think that over the years we have been blessed at derby with a number of brilliant centre halves.....And Keogh has been hanging around like a bad smell for far too long... I just hope that Frank bombs him out of the place now....if he does then this result will be the best thing that has happened to the club in years. 

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14 minutes ago, Millenniumram said:

Keoghs had undeserved attacks in the past but he’s started this season appalling. And I fear it may not just be poor form. I’ve always rated Keogh as a player but I’ve always said his weakness is his awareness and I think that’s what’s being exposed. He then starts to panic and launch the ball rather than play considered passes out the back. In the system we play defensive awareness is vital, and I fear Keogh may not be up to the task. This could be his end, Tomori was largely excellent and will deservedly keep his place

Indeed. Doesn’t help Keogh, him and Wisdom didn’t make each other look comfortable when under the cosh, Tomori should be a nailed on starter, even though he lost his man for the header, I’d excuse that as mistakes a plenty beforehand. 

As for Keogh, I’m not an hater, I’d just like to see Tomori with Davies mainly because there were glimpses of Tomori to suggest he has pace, which may compliment him with Davies better. In turn Davies will probably be a more reassuring and solid leader at the side, than Keogh was today; that pairing alone would unlikely prevented Leeds winning today mind.

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5 minutes ago, MuespachRam said:

Someone who can head it and kick it. 

It is the easiest position on the pitch to play... 

What makes it worse is that I think that over the years we have been blessed at derby with a number of brilliant centre halves.....And Keogh has been hanging around like a bad smell for far too long... I just hope that Frank bombs him out of the place now....if he does then this result will be the best thing that has happened to the club in years. 

Pearce can head and kick it, Barker could head and kick it, Rawson could head and kick it, Shackell could head at kick it… it’s a totally archaic outlook on the position that affects the whole structure of the team: IE hoofball.

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Keogh has the ability to be and has shown he can be a top end championship defender. The problem is, the errors he makes are basic and it always seems to be someone else's fault. All players make mistakes just Keogh seems to have a knack of making them at key moments.

It didn't lead to a goal but Keogh lost the ball on halfway and gave away a free kick. Rather than stop them taking the free kick or get back in position, stops and moans at the ref. Ledley being exposed then fouls and gets a yellow. Very poor from a senior player and no awareness. Maybe he is just blessed with a knack of being error prone. Some players are. Footballing intelligence?    Mentality?

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