RamsFan10 Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 With Mount looking like an imminent signing, in my opinion surely we ought to cash in on Vydra now. If we opt to play 4-2-3-1 Mount will surely fill the middle of the 3 (where Vydra played last season), and if we play 4-3-3 Mount will play in the midfield three and Vydra seemingly has no place in that system either. We saw how poor he was as a loan striker before Rowett. If we keep Vydra as an optional extra his price will go down. I can't think of a system that incorporates both of them and provides enough defensive stability. Personally i think we should accept any bids above 8/9 million for Vydra and reinvest that money into players who are guaranteed (or as close to guaranteed as possible) starters. Obviously all this is dependent on bids coming in and Vydra not demanding stupid wages. The only downside i see is Vydra strengthening a potential rival. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkeram7 Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 You'd think Mount would play in a midfield three from how we lined up at Notts. I like Vydra but if that's the way we're going to play then we may as well cash in because his value will drop dramatically inside 6 months. May as well give Frank some money and cash in ?? he can only play with another forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamsFan10 Posted July 16, 2018 Author Share Posted July 16, 2018 From what i gather last season Vitesse played 4-2-3-1 with Mount behind the striker as an attacking midfielder? someone correct me if im wrong. correction: i am wrong, they played 4-3-3 and he operated in the midfield three as the most advanced or on either wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Surely not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Thorne at risk if Mount comes? We have two sides that could finish in top ten in this League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamsFan10 Posted July 16, 2018 Author Share Posted July 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Rampage said: Thorne at risk if Mount comes? We have two sides that could finish in top ten in this League. Thorne is a very different player to Mount, far more defensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Eleven places in team. Thorne will have to get back to his very best to get a game. Bryson and Hudds will start with Mount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyPowell Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 We can only sell Vyds if A) The manager wants rid,Franks hints he wants him here B) A club meets our asking price which allegedly Leeds have agreed C) Vyds doesnt get greedy wage wise which supposedly he has So unless things change hes playing for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsnip Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Nah I reckon Lamps will go for a Barcelonaesque 4-6-0 Which means Vydra, Mount, Wilson, Thorne, everyone can play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Surely we ought tof be building a team around last season's golden boot winner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 The biggest risk we face is the familiar failing of having too many players. I'm not sure we need all these reported loans. i'd be quite happy to sit on our hands and go with the squad we have. Its quite a nice mix of youth and experience with bryson back. I would also like us to build the team around the players we own. It would be nice to have another season watching vydra scoring regularly. however we have to find a minimum of £6m. More with all these loan wages to fund. It seems that the strategy is to sell vydra, but i wouldn't be surprised to see bryson, martin, and others go too. I really hope we don't overplay the transfer window yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BathRam72 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, RamNut said: The biggest risk we face is the familiar failing of having too many players. I'm not sure we need all these reported loans. i'd be quite happy to sit on our hands and go with the squad we have. Its quite a nice mix of youth and experience with bryson back. I would also like us to build the team around the players we own. It would be nice to have another season watching vydra scoring regularly. however we have to find a minimum of £6m. More with all these loan wages to fund. It seems that the strategy is to sell vydra, but i wouldn't be surprised to see bryson, martin, and others go too. I really hope we don't overplay the transfer window yet again. While I agree with your sentiments over too many loan players. I would argue that if Bryson continues to play like he did against Notts in pre-season, then he should be a shoe-in to stay.. I personally don't see a future for the likes of Martin and one or two other stalwarts however Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 minute ago, BathRam72 said: While I agree with your sentiments over too many loan players. I would argue that if Bryson continues to play like he did against Notts in pre-season, then he should be a shoe-in to stay.. I personally don't see a future for the likes of Martin and one or two other stalwarts however Most folk were quite happy to see bryson go. It just goes to show how 57 minutes can change people's opinions. However if Mount and Wilson are coming in, i can't see bryson staying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BathRam72 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, RamNut said: Most folk were quite happy to see bryson go. It just goes to show how 57 minutes can change people's opinions. However if Mount and Wilson are coming in, i can't see bryson staying. I am not one of those 57 minuters. I have always admired his work rate and ethics. How ever with the wage bill debacle, You may be right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealhantsram Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 7 hours ago, RamsFan10 said: From what i gather last season Vitesse played 4-2-3-1 with Mount behind the striker as an attacking midfielder? someone correct me if im wrong. correction: i am wrong, they played 4-3-3 and he operated in the midfield three as the most advanced or on either wing. Competition for Bryson then in the advanced role of a midfield 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Can only sell, if someone is willing to buy, and meet the wage demands... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Vidders is a great player when it’s going right for him. His head drops quicker than Forest after a first game win if it’s not. Scouts will of seen this as well as his goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiddingsRam Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 I think there's a place for Matej even in the new regimes 4-3-3 . When Mac tried him out wide , it was out wide as daft as that sounds . In the new 4-3-3 the front 3 pretty much played as 3 central players and the width seem to come from the full backs. Going all football manager esque now but Matej could even play in a false 9 role dropping off into that number 10 role allowing space for the 2 wide players to drive into . Because really none of our wide players are wingers are they ? Lastly it seems daft how many people actually seem to want to see Matej leave. Don't get me wrong if the deals right all round I won't hold it against anyone but I'm in no rush for him to leave and would be happy either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Goal scorer - you do not sell unless someone pays what you want and the player gets what they want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkeram7 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 It's not a case of wanting to see him go, he's the championships top striker that's a FACT. The underlining problem is that we are all more than aware that we need a slight squad revamp. Young players cost alot of money in today's market and even if the whole 'we haven't got money' thing is a smokescreen, supposedly Vydra is worth upto to 15 million and its the ideal time to cash in if Frank seems to favour a system where he doesn't necessarily fit. If we line up like that from the first game, I don't see where he fits or how he'll be happy. It's disappointing but the correct decision seems to be to sell him while his stock is at its highest. 15 million could easily get us 3/4 of the lower leagues top up coming players e.g. Maddison, Marriott, Bayliss etc. It's about seeing the bigger picture. I'm sure a plan would be in place if he did go, Frank doesn't strike me as the sort who'd happily see him leave the door without a couple of top permanent deals lined up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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