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43 minutes ago, 86 points said:

Mate I'd hate to think that we couldn't be mates over footy for a start. I did post a couple of times end of season when things were at their most divisive on the forum to try explain my stance as it seemed to me that a lot of folk took my attempts to remain positive as something they weren't. I wanted stability because I genuinely feared for the club if we got shot again and brought in another manager mid-season to play the opposite way to Rowett with a roster seemingly built to play to his style. No Bryson, Martin, Butterfield and co and a plethora of CDMs. I genuinely don't think anyone 'enjoyed' our style of play last year, least of all me. There were maybe a handful of games where I thought we looked good - my thinking was that we were an 'effective' side whihc I'd venture was borne out by our form and results at the turn of the year. My issue was that I wanted folks to get behind the team for at least as long as we were in with a sniff of promotion, not undermine them from the sidelines. Perhaps it was childish of me, but I felt some of it was disloyal. It was just so depressing that there was so much negativity and I apologise if it came across that I didn't understand people's frustrations. I did but I just feel that you say your piece and leave it there. It became relentless and for me quite unpleasant at times. I'd not seen the forum so divided and angry and it wasn't a good place to be in. Whilst it's proven now that Rowett is a money-grasping, faithless ***k, he'd not shafted us for the dollar at the time and some of the abuse he and certain players were getting seemed over the top. Just my opinion!

Fast-forward a few months and Chris, Bryso and Butters are back at the club, the young'uns look like being given a chance (and taking it!) and we have a fresh outlook and a charismatic and smart gaffer at the helm. My fears were totally unfounded it seems and I can honestly say I'm looking forward to this season more than any I can recall. I don't mind if we don't tear up the league. I just want a united Derby, on and off the pitch, players and fans alike.

I know there will be snipers no matter what and I accept that, I just long for a return to the days when the bulk of fans and players alike take pride in the club and enjoyment from the game we all love. The feelgood factor we got from the world cup I want replicated at Derby. 

*sorry for the war and peace post buddy but your post struck a chord (not in a bad way!)

No worries!! 

I never like to think that I couldn't have pint with anyone off here. I knew exactly where you were coming from with defending Rowett and whether I agreed or not I don't take my posts, your posts or even the game of football seriously enough to get to the stage some people get to where they're looking to attack a poster over the whole forum. 

The only person I have found intolerable on here is one knobber I always disagree with and he couldn't even accept a "happy New year" without arguing. The **** ***. 

I can't imagine the Rowett situation happening again. Not a split like that.

He wrongly suffered because of the way McClaren was sacked. Mac's sacking seemed to have a mixed response and Rowett came in and changed a lot quite quickly. Those that supported Mac had a lot ripped away from them and were quite angry. Rowett was always going to struggle to win them over unless he produced the football and results of Mac 1. 

You had the more chilled people who just wanted to get on with it. 

Problem was that Rowett's counter attacking style (regardless of whether there was any attacks to counter) could go aimless hoofball to deadly quick attacks from one week to the next. 

That just gave each fans ammo. One week we'd score 3 goals with 40% of the ball and the next week we'd barely get a shot. 

Rowett let popular players leave. Ince, Hughes. Ammo for the wrist slashers

But then we're 2nd in the league. Ammo for the happy clappers

Our performances always seemed to be extremes. 

Take the Fulham game for example. Now the wrist slashers would predict Fulham will pile the pressure on, Derby will get deeper and keep handing them the ball back.

The happy clappers would predict that Fulham will put the pressure on, come forward slowly, invite everyone forward and ZAP! Derby down the other end and score.

"See, 40% of the ball and 65% pass completion with only 3 players who attack. How does that have a future"

"See, 40% of the ball and in 3 passes we did what Fulham couldn't do on 500." 

... was always going to end in extreme views and point scoring.

Thankfully Rowett left and wasn't sacked. Because then the argument would rumble on. And thankfully nobody has really been able to say "told you so" because of all the things he was and wasn't (from the most promising young manager to a clueless hoofball tactician) I don't think anyone had him down as a bloke to piss off just like that after he always wanted this job and was a key player and kind of an adopted Derby lad. 

With him leaving nobody was proven right. We absolutely have a fresh start but this time it wasn't Morris pressing reset where we argue about the rights and wrongs of it. This time it was thrust upon us and we have to get a new manager. There is nothing to debate there. 

Like you said, there will always be snipers. I dunno why but you are right. But none of us can even judge this manager on his past. There's nothing for us to argue about now. So, with a few winning performances we could all be won over and united. Lets just hope it doesnt go the other way. But even if it does there's no "We should have stuck with Rowett" because that was never on the cards. 

Rowett didn't get a clean slate. Lampard has. 

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12 minutes ago, Alpha said:

No worries!! 

I never like to think that I couldn't have pint with anyone off here. I knew exactly where you were coming from with defending Rowett and whether I agreed or not I don't take my posts, your posts or even the game of football seriously enough to get to the stage some people get to where they're looking to attack a poster over the whole forum. 

The only person I have found intolerable on here is one knobber I always disagree with and he couldn't even accept a "happy New year" without arguing. The **** ***. 

I can't imagine the Rowett situation happening again. Not a split like that.

He wrongly suffered because of the way McClaren was sacked. Mac's sacking seemed to have a mixed response and Rowett came in and changed a lot quite quickly. Those that supported Mac had a lot ripped away from them and were quite angry. Rowett was always going to struggle to win them over unless he produced the football and results of Mac 1. 

You had the more chilled people who just wanted to get on with it. 

Problem was that Rowett's counter attacking style (regardless of whether there was any attacks to counter) could go aimless hoofball to deadly quick attacks from one week to the next. 

That just gave each fans ammo. One week we'd score 3 goals with 40% of the ball and the next week we'd barely get a shot. 

Rowett let popular players leave. Ince, Hughes. Ammo for the wrist slashers

But then we're 2nd in the league. Ammo for the happy clappers

Our performances always seemed to be extremes. 

Take the Fulham game for example. Now the wrist slashers would predict Fulham will pile the pressure on, Derby will get deeper and keep handing them the ball back.

The happy clappers would predict that Fulham will put the pressure on, come forward slowly, invite everyone forward and ZAP! Derby down the other end and score.

"See, 40% of the ball and 65% pass completion with only 3 players who attack. How does that have a future"

"See, 40% of the ball and in 3 passes we did what Fulham couldn't do on 500." 

... was always going to end in extreme views and point scoring.

Thankfully Rowett left and wasn't sacked. Because then the argument would rumble on. And thankfully nobody has really been able to say "told you so" because of all the things he was and wasn't (from the most promising young manager to a clueless hoofball tactician) I don't think anyone had him down as a bloke to piss off just like that after he always wanted this job and was a key player and kind of an adopted Derby lad. 

With him leaving nobody was proven right. We absolutely have a fresh start but this time it wasn't Morris pressing reset where we argue about the rights and wrongs of it. This time it was thrust upon us and we have to get a new manager. There is nothing to debate there. 

Like you said, there will always be snipers. I dunno why but you are right. But none of us can even judge this manager on his past. There's nothing for us to argue about now. So, with a few winning performances we could all be won over and united. Lets just hope it doesnt go the other way. But even if it does there's no "We should have stuck with Rowett" because that was never on the cards. 

Rowett didn't get a clean slate. Lampard has. 

UTR

Can't argue with any of that mate. It does feel like a fresh start and I guess Frank being a newbie plays into that. No baggage, no preconceptions, just the start of a journey that could lead anywhere. It was really striking reading the match thread today. Almost like we've all been holding our breath. Couple of naysayers but I understand why some folk are wary of buying into the dream. Once bitten and all that. Folk say it's the hope that kills you but that's rubbish. It's when there's no hope that folk struggle. 

COYR

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38 minutes ago, Alpha said:

I can't imagine the Rowett situation happening again. Not a split like that.

It's very good for the forum that Rowett went in the end. Rowett was so incredibly divisive on here, with myself being one of the strong ''Rowett out'' supporters. 

I feel thoroughly positive about Lampard. He's trying to play nice football from the back, I'm hoping the likes of Thomas, Bennett and Bogle can get a chance under him too. I feel like the fact we haven't just spunked cash around is also good for keeping expectations grounded too. 

I feel positive we'll have a good year and surprise a few people along the way.

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2 hours ago, thelovebelow said:

Loved the football today. Noticed the players only tried to take one touch before passing. Really upped the tempo of our play. 

I didn’t see anything of the game but this is music to my ears. Move the ball quickly, with a decent amount of precision and you will win games. 

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12 minutes ago, Andicis said:

It's very good for the forum that Rowett went in the end. Rowett was so incredibly divisive on here, with myself being one of the strong ''Rowett out'' supporters. 

I feel thoroughly positive about Lampard. He's trying to play nice football from the back, I'm hoping the likes of Thomas, Bennett and Bogle can get a chance under him too. I feel like the fact we haven't just spunked cash around is also good for keeping expectations grounded too. 

I feel positive we'll have a good year and surprise a few people along the way.

Who are you and what have you done with @Andicis ? 🤣

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It was nice to see luke tomspon lad took his two goals really well and looking like a really talent and masion bennet looking fully strong powerful pace to burn I think could huge say in our season took his goal well.

Bogle lad look really composed on the ball when he settled down.

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10 minutes ago, jono said:

I didn’t see anything of the game but this is music to my ears. Move the ball quickly, with a decent amount of precision and you will win games. 

Yeah, definitely made a difference. With the one touch and pass,  it really didn't give too much time for Notts to settle and get back in position.  Much better than playing it front of them, although we did do that from time to time but I think that was to control the play or draw them out. Both have a place. Football ain't binary. 

Have a feeling we'll be a lot like Fulham rather than Ipswich this season. 

Can't wait for the season to start. Feeling optimistic. 

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9 hours ago, Norman said:

Couple of points from me.

Bryson has been missed. He will be vital to the way we look to be setting up in the middle.

Bogle and Thomas are first team ready.

I also spoke to Mel Morris after the game. I like him. It was very brief but he asked me what I thought. So I told him lol.

I pointed out, for me, the youth players of Bogle and Thomas were amongst the best players in the first half, playing with some very good players.

He said that he has been telling people that for 3 years.

Where did you see him ? 

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18 minutes ago, RiddingsRam said:

Where did you see him ? 

Outside the players' entrance after the game.

Waited for the team after because my nephew wanted photos with Frank and his favourite player, Wisdom. 

Saw Roger Davies, Michael Johnson, Mel and most of the players to talk to.

All were great. Especially Keogh. Went above and beyond to point out it wasn't a problem to have a photo and took time to speak to the kids with us. 

Also, Mel genuinely wanted to know my thoughts. Took me by surprise really. Very passionate. 

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38 minutes ago, Norman said:

Outside the players' entrance after the game.

Waited for the team after because my nephew wanted photos with Frank and his favourite player, Wisdom. 

Saw Roger Davies, Michael Johnson, Mel and most of the players to talk to.

All were great. Especially Keogh. Went above and beyond to point out it wasn't a problem to have a photo and took time to speak to the kids with us. 

Also, Mel genuinely wanted to know my thoughts. Took me by surprise really. Very passionate. 

Just to add to this post because I feel it's worth mentioning.

Mitchell, Roos, Lowe, Hanson, Bennett, Elsnik and Thomas were all very polite, well spoken lads. Did everthing the fans that had waited asked for.

I don't know them personally, but it left a great impression of players to the kids with us. So credit to the academy.

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8 hours ago, Alpha said:

No worries!! 

I never like to think that I couldn't have pint with anyone off here. I knew exactly where you were coming from with defending Rowett and whether I agreed or not I don't take my posts, your posts or even the game of football seriously enough to get to the stage some people get to where they're looking to attack a poster over the whole forum. 

The only person I have found intolerable on here is one knobber I always disagree with and he couldn't even accept a "happy New year" without arguing. The **** ***. 

I can't imagine the Rowett situation happening again. Not a split like that.

He wrongly suffered because of the way McClaren was sacked. Mac's sacking seemed to have a mixed response and Rowett came in and changed a lot quite quickly. Those that supported Mac had a lot ripped away from them and were quite angry. Rowett was always going to struggle to win them over unless he produced the football and results of Mac 1. 

You had the more chilled people who just wanted to get on with it. 

Problem was that Rowett's counter attacking style (regardless of whether there was any attacks to counter) could go aimless hoofball to deadly quick attacks from one week to the next. 

That just gave each fans ammo. One week we'd score 3 goals with 40% of the ball and the next week we'd barely get a shot. 

Rowett let popular players leave. Ince, Hughes. Ammo for the wrist slashers

But then we're 2nd in the league. Ammo for the happy clappers

Our performances always seemed to be extremes. 

Take the Fulham game for example. Now the wrist slashers would predict Fulham will pile the pressure on, Derby will get deeper and keep handing them the ball back.

The happy clappers would predict that Fulham will put the pressure on, come forward slowly, invite everyone forward and ZAP! Derby down the other end and score.

"See, 40% of the ball and 65% pass completion with only 3 players who attack. How does that have a future"

"See, 40% of the ball and in 3 passes we did what Fulham couldn't do on 500." 

... was always going to end in extreme views and point scoring.

Thankfully Rowett left and wasn't sacked. Because then the argument would rumble on. And thankfully nobody has really been able to say "told you so" because of all the things he was and wasn't (from the most promising young manager to a clueless hoofball tactician) I don't think anyone had him down as a bloke to piss off just like that after he always wanted this job and was a key player and kind of an adopted Derby lad. 

With him leaving nobody was proven right. We absolutely have a fresh start but this time it wasn't Morris pressing reset where we argue about the rights and wrongs of it. This time it was thrust upon us and we have to get a new manager. There is nothing to debate there. 

Like you said, there will always be snipers. I dunno why but you are right. But none of us can even judge this manager on his past. There's nothing for us to argue about now. So, with a few winning performances we could all be won over and united. Lets just hope it doesnt go the other way. But even if it does there's no "We should have stuck with Rowett" because that was never on the cards. 

Rowett didn't get a clean slate. Lampard has. 

UTR

Knobber. A superb word that I had consigned to the Barrack room banter of my military years.

Will try and shoehorn it into my next Stakeholder meeting!!!

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