Jack Marriott - Signed on a 3 year deal

[Whoneedshuls]

Can’t see it being us until we’ve sold vydra unless we’re using wiemanns money and mels topping up until vyds is sold..

[richinspain]

2 minutes ago, Charlie George said:

Him and Maddison not available to play tonight says their chairman.

They’ve been pulled out of the England squad to sign for Derby County ????

[EraniosSocks]

4 minutes ago, Kernow said:

Great timing. Don’t think there’s much else happening at that time is there?

Nothing I know about... haha 

[SaintRam]

Unless there's going to be a Vydra announcement too, difficult to imagine its owt to do with us. 

[CornwallRam]

2 minutes ago, SaintRam said:

Unless there's going to be a Vydra announcement too, difficult to imagine its owt to do with us. 

Because outgoing fees instantly hit the accounts and incoming ones are effectively split over the duration of a players contract, we could use the £2m from Weimann to spend £8m on new players as long as they were on four year contracts aand still stay neutral on FFP. For players in their 20s we could also make the residual values show them as virtually cost free for the first two seasons - OK, doing stuff like that eventually comes back to haunt you.

I can, however, see the club thinking we are probably going to get a big fee for Vydra and some cash for players like Martin and Anya. So let's spend the money now so Frank can build his team. When the other players are sold we'll be in profit, and if the worse happens and we don't sell anyone else, we can still muddle through. We also have the January window to make recoup a bit of cash if things aren't quite in order for FFP.

[SuperDerbySuperRams]

Him nor Maddison are playing at a Posh pre season game tomorrow which their owner said would involved their entire first team..

[whiteroseram]

14 hours ago, CornwallRam said:

Because outgoing fees instantly hit the accounts and incoming ones are effectively split over the duration of a players contract, we could use the £2m from Weimann to spend £8m on new players as long as they were on four year contracts aand still stay neutral on FFP. For players in their 20s we could also make the residual values show them as virtually cost free for the first two seasons - OK, doing stuff like that eventually comes back to haunt you.

I can, however, see the club thinking we are probably going to get a big fee for Vydra and some cash for players like Martin and Anya. So let's spend the money now so Frank can build his team. When the other players are sold we'll be in profit, and if the worse happens and we don't sell anyone else, we can still muddle through. We also have the January window to make recoup a bit of cash if things aren't quite in order for FFP.

Exactly. Although as you say it comes back, I think part of reason we’re close to FFP limit now is we’re still paying some previous (bad) perchases 

[Van der MoodHoover]

15 hours ago, CornwallRam said:

Because outgoing fees instantly hit the accounts and incoming ones are effectively split over the duration of a players contract, we could use the £2m from Weimann to spend £8m on new players as long as they were on four year contracts aand still stay neutral on FFP. For players in their 20s we could also make the residual values show them as virtually cost free for the first two seasons - OK, doing stuff like that eventually comes back to haunt you.

I can, however, see the club thinking we are probably going to get a big fee for Vydra and some cash for players like Martin and Anya. So let's spend the money now so Frank can build his team. When the other players are sold we'll be in profit, and if the worse happens and we don't sell anyone else, we can still muddle through. We also have the January window to make recoup a bit of cash if things aren't quite in order for FFP.

All true depending on you having a residual value of 0 in your accounts for Weimann.

If, say, he has a RV of £2m......and we've done that to avoid recognising a FFP loss in a previous year, then as I understand it, selling him for £2m would simply offset that RV and its a net 0 to us in respect of that sale. 

[CornwallRam]

40 minutes ago, HantsRam said:

All true depending on you having a residual value of 0 in your accounts for Weimann.

If, say, he has a RV of £2m......and we've done that to avoid recognising a FFP loss in a previous year, then as I understand it, selling him for £2m would simply offset that RV and its a net 0 to us in respect of that sale. 

It's a good point. I'd somewhat stupidly forgotten to include his 'book value' in my post.

Without checking back, I believe we signed him when we were still using straight amortisation.  I think his value would have been reduced by two seasons of amortisation and I'm under the impression that rvs can't go up. Assuming he cost £2m his rv must then be £1m or less. Last season we had a bit of leeway on FFP, so I doubt that they'd have inflated Weimann's value too much. My guess would be an rv in line with standard amortisation, ie, £500k.

[Rab a dab doo]

If Frank really wants him then Mel will make it happen and we can balance the books later in the transfer window. There's plenty of time before it closes.

[Van der MoodHoover]

34 minutes ago, CornwallRam said:

It's a good point. I'd somewhat stupidly forgotten to include his 'book value' in my post.

Without checking back, I believe we signed him when we were still using straight amortisation.  I think his value would have been reduced by two seasons of amortisation and I'm under the impression that rvs can't go up. Assuming he cost £2m his rv must then be £1m or less. Last season we had a bit of leeway on FFP, so I doubt that they'd have inflated Weimann's value too much. My guess would be an rv in line with standard amortisation, ie, £500k.

I think from memory it was at this point Ramblur waved the white flag as i seem to remember a post that stated the player value and amortisation was only at an aggregate level as a note in the accounts.

So we'll never know, is the only true answer (albeit what you have estimated is very plausible)?

[SuperDerbySuperRams]

 

Does suggest we are in for him as it’s the first time he’s responded to Derby/Marriott talk. 

[Andicis]

27 minutes ago, SuperDerbySuperRams said:

 

Does suggest we are in for him as it’s the first time he’s responded to Derby/Marriott talk. 

It's also worth nothing he has a tendency to categorically rule clubs out who aren't interested - see us with Marcus Maddison, interesting here that he didn't do that. That being said, I think I'm reading a bit more into it than is actually implied.

[DCFC1388]

Might be worth someone putting the screenshot up of where he said no to us being for Maddison as that also hinted that we are in for someone else, likely to be Marriott

[Barney1991]

 

[Bob Gnarly]

12 hours ago, Barney1991 said:

 

Gutted, would have loved to see him here

Let's move on now and look at other targets

[EnigmaRam]

Anyone heard it was that have met the valuation?

[The Scarlet Pimpernel]

1 hour ago, Mr Giggles said:

Gutted, would have loved to see him here

Let's move on now and look at other targets

This is the Marriott thread but the above is about Maddison.

[Bob Gnarly]

2 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

This is the Marriott thread but the above is about Maddison.

I know, was just generally commenting on Maddison.

[RadioactiveWaste]

Can I just ask if the lad is named Marriott, why are there no hotel puns?