Rampage Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 I am delighted that Vydra is staying. I do not much care about FFP. If he can score 20 goals then keep him. Marriott could be injured after 5 minutes. Strength in depth Is vital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackNwhites Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 9 hours ago, R@M said: Just wrong. What you ‘think’ is actually based on a witch hunt and repeated negative opinions. According to multiple stats sites he had the best pass completion of all of the attacking players that played last year. And beat Lawrence in every department except for assists; 7 to 4 if you are interested. https://www.whoscored.com/Teams/20/Archive/England-Derby Not sure what you're trying to prove? Our offensive play was absolutely poor last season and I can agree with that. As this 'whoscored' wotsit proves. In order of ratings. Tom Lawrence Matej Vydra Bradley Johnson Andreas Weimann Johnny Russell Cameron Jerome David Nugent Sam Winall Forget the rest cos their playing time was minimal. Awful. Just awful. We played a system that seemed to only benefit Vydra, and even Rowett didn't completely trust him. Bradley Johnson is in the top 3, Weimann is 4th. Only bit I agree with is Sammy Winall in dead last, because he was absolutely awful at playing football. Great shot on him though. If Vydra didn't score goals, which I can compliment him on, hes got a great shot on him, we'd look upon him as a Connor Sammon type player. In hindsight I'm absolutely delighted that Rowett has left to go to Stoke. I actually wanted him here before we got Nigel Pearson, was happy when he joined, delighted he's left. You can quote stats, but for me what I see is more telling and I see a man who can't contribute effectively in a passing team. With that, he'll lose confidence because we're a team now, and he'll need to contribute to the team ethic, which he can't, and his goals will dry up. No more than 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Van der MoodHoover Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, Barney1991 said: Now that’s the kind of random left-field rumour that I like as speculation. knowing nothing, as I do, about Ukrainian football finances, I’m going to idly speculate that their bid will be €500,000 plus a trailer load of root vegetables ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritty Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Well they are a champions league club. And the guy tweeting is a journalist Admittedly, they very rarely spend big sums of players and usually make a net profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, HantsRam said: Now that’s the kind of random left-field rumour that I like as speculation. knowing nothing, as I do, about Ukrainian football finances, I’m going to idly speculate that their bid will be €500,000 plus a trailer load of root vegetables ? Two years supply of natural gas would be an excellent transaction but you are correct the Ukraine ?? is / was the bread basket of Russia and that’s why they want it back anyway Vydra to overseas for the money we want is the perfect solution for all probably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thierry Ennui Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Rampage said: I am delighted that Vydra is staying. I do not much care about FFP. If he can score 20 goals then keep him. Marriott could be injured after 5 minutes. Strength in depth Is vital. Baffling how anyone can assume he's staying. We've left the number 9 shirt free and we're absolutely stacked with strikers. I'd be extremely surprised if Vydra stayed and we didn't get another striker in. I'd also expect Martin to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 I've no idea how vygra managed to win supporters player of the year, players player of the year etc etc when he's just so crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, RamNut said: I've no idea how vygra managed to win supporters player of the year, players player of the year etc etc when he's just so crap. You are correct he is dreadful isn’t he scoring all those goals rather than joining in with the defending, at least he had to go into the vacant midfield area to win the ball a few times as well the undisciplined fella meanwhile Anya Blackman and Butterfield collected the cash for not being very good at their jobs IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gccrowdpleaser Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 They have made big money in the last couple of windows selling Yarmalenko for 23m plus a few others. They netted out at touching £30million profit on transfers last season. They may also have has some more money for Yarmalenko as he's only last a year in Germany and joined West Ham. It's 400km closer to his home town in Cz than Derby is. Wouldn't rule it out Also, on the proviso that the interest is real, I wonder if we'd maybe take a bit less money on the proviso that it's all paid upfront. I suspect Leeds would have wanted 11m over at least 3 years. If they give us 9m cash... Now...You'd be inclined to think that's a decent deal for the club. Wouldnt fancy chasing staged payments from the Ukraine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 1 minute ago, gccrowdpleaser said: They have made big money in the last couple of windows selling Yarmalenko for 23m plus a few others. They netted out at touching £30million profit on transfers last season. They may also have has some more money for Yarmalenko as he's only last a year in Germany and joined West Ham. It's 400km closer to his home town in Cz than Derby is. Wouldn't rule it out Also, on the proviso that the interest is real, I wonder if we'd maybe take a bit less money on the proviso that it's all paid upfront. I suspect Leeds would have wanted 11m over at least 3 years. If they give us 9m cash... Now...You'd be inclined to think that's a decent deal for the club. Wouldnt fancy chasing staged payments from the Ukraine. And staged payments from Leeds would be easier would it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 12 minutes ago, RamNut said: I've no idea how vygra managed to win supporters player of the year, players player of the year etc etc when he's just so crap. So amazing. So many turncoats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuffLuff Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 19 minutes ago, RamNut said: I've no idea how vygra managed to win supporters player of the year, players player of the year etc etc when he's just so crap. In fairness I’m not sure if anyone’s saying he’s crap? It’s more about where you fit him in, or why should you fit him in, when we have new signings in areas he could play plus a new system. That doesn’t make him anything, it just means he’s most likely not as vital anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R@M Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 1 hour ago, blackNwhites said: Not sure what you're trying to prove? Our offensive play was absolutely poor last season and I can agree with that. As this 'whoscored' wotsit proves. In order of ratings. Tom Lawrence Matej Vydra Bradley Johnson Andreas Weimann Johnny Russell Cameron Jerome David Nugent Sam Winall Forget the rest cos their playing time was minimal. Awful. Just awful. We played a system that seemed to only benefit Vydra, and even Rowett didn't completely trust him. Bradley Johnson is in the top 3, Weimann is 4th. Only bit I agree with is Sammy Winall in dead last, because he was absolutely awful at playing football. Great shot on him though. If Vydra didn't score goals, which I can compliment him on, hes got a great shot on him, we'd look upon him as a Connor Sammon type player. In hindsight I'm absolutely delighted that Rowett has left to go to Stoke. I actually wanted him here before we got Nigel Pearson, was happy when he joined, delighted he's left. You can quote stats, but for me what I see is more telling and I see a man who can't contribute effectively in a passing team. With that, he'll lose confidence because we're a team now, and he'll need to contribute to the team ethic, which he can't, and his goals will dry up. No more than 5. So you write him off from being able to contribute effectively in a passing team but he had a better pass completion rate than every single attack minded player? Not really sure how you can come to that conclusion? ? Also lost the ball less than Lawrence and marginally more than the other forwards. (With the bonus of 20 goals) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 26 minutes ago, RamNut said: I've no idea how vygra managed to win supporters player of the year, players player of the year etc etc when he's just so crap. Viagra? should have poked a few in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gccrowdpleaser Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 26 minutes ago, Sparkle said: And staged payments from Leeds would be easier would it? Significantly easier yes. Enforcement of laws across borders, particularly in Eastern Europe is tricky. We also share an FA and Football league so sanctions would be significantly easier to enforce. I susgest you live up to your name and provide a bit of sparkle on here rather than cynicism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jono Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 9 hours ago, TuffLuff said: The point I’m trying to make is that he may need to learn to be more positionally sound so he doesn’t have to chase back in the first place. It’s not the case of adapting within the game but adapting his game to a new role where it’s based around a team attack rather than the attack being based around him. Also I don’t think I said he can’t adapt, it’s more I questioned whether he’s got the will to do so. If he does then he’s got everything that will make him a top player in my eyes, I’m just not sure we have seen that yet. No quarrel with that ? but i’d add that he might find it easier to keep his position in this new more mobile forward thinking team ? in a sense I wish we could have seen him with the others in a pre season, to get a feel for how he shapes up. I’ve never been one for absolutes on this forum because, you never know what a small change to a recipe can make to the finished article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 This is what other teams would get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 If he does go I hope its to a team outside of the Championship! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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