bigbadbob Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 2 hours ago, RamNut said: So afterall that, you have finally admitted that there is a debt that could in the future become payable. Alleluya give yourself another gold star. Think he's got you on ignore so he won't see it unless someone quotes you both. A bit like I have just done here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbob Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 2 hours ago, RamNut said: As you keep saying. Who cares? the transfer income from summer 17 will turn up in the next years accounts. the point is £15m loss in 15-16 is £24m excluding player sales the £21m group loss in 16-17 would be a £28m loss without £7m of player sales And bere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbob Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 2 hours ago, RamNut said: the group figures are relevant. And here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, bigbadbob said: Think he's got you on ignore so he won't see it unless someone quotes you both. A bit like I have just done here. I'm quite happy to be on his ignore. Its lovely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbob Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Just now, RamNut said: I'm quite happy to be on his ignore. Its lovely. If only he knew that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 13 minutes ago, bigbadbob said: If only he knew that You'd better quote me then. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbob Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Just now, RamNut said: You'd better quote me then. ? I'd better not. Not with his high blood pressure issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossieram Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 1 hour ago, curtains said: All sounds very easy. So what happens to the current senior players and name who should be let go. That will be the managers job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossieram Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 55 minutes ago, RamNut said: The group owe mel £95.6m. Any potential purchaser would surely acquire the whole group. Some posters have suggested that mel would want his money back. Others have said he would write it off. We don't know. But the debt exists, and may or may not become relevant in the future. we do not need to sell? I think significant sales have become essential. i'm pretty sure that transfers have to be self-financing now, and that we require the profits on sales for reasons that i have already given. for what its worth, i agreed with the sales of hendrick and ince, but if we have to sell every year - which is the position i think we've got ourselves into - then thats not good. When we do rebuild i hope we will have learned from our errors. Don't pay what we can't reasonably afford to pay. If we do get to another play-off final and fail again, then next time let anyone go who wants to move to the prem. Don't try and match those wages and end up in a spiral of escalating wage costs. Who owns the group? Would that be Mel? So Mel owes Mel and can write that off at anytime he wishes. You've also been told that he isn't looking to sell the club, so why would there be a potential purchaser? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/derby-ffp-mel-morris-vydra-1663189 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramet Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 21 minutes ago, curtains said: https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/derby-ffp-mel-morris-vydra-1663189 Old news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramet Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 I will let you guys carry on negative as ever.but at the end of this season i did tell you so...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northender Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Strong, strong rumours amongst our (PNE) fans, including reliable posters on our forum, that we’re in for Jerome. Alex Neil worked with him at Norwich. Our local paper said this morning that we’ve bid for an experienced striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r4derby Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, northender said: Strong, strong rumours amongst our (PNE) fans, including reliable posters on our forum, that we’re in for Jerome. Alex Neil worked with him at Norwich. Our local paper said this morning that we’ve bid for an experienced striker. I’m going to go against the majority and say you can have him if you pay similar fee as we did. Aside from 2 games at the end of the season, he just didn’t do enough to warrant a place. We bought him in to be a tall, pacy, strong striker who bullies and harasses defenders. Yet he spent most of both legs against Fulham walking around. I know we played ultra conservative, but he just didn’t seem to run at more than a jog both games or seem overly fussed. Good header mind. Martin would have been slated for not moving like him, yet would have bought some hold up play and technique to us at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 24 minutes ago, northender said: Strong, strong rumours amongst our (PNE) fans, including reliable posters on our forum, that we’re in for Jerome. Alex Neil worked with him at Norwich. Our local paper said this morning that we’ve bid for an experienced striker. I really hope you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramblur Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 4 hours ago, curtains said: The problem is if Mel wants his money back if we get to the Premiership. Why can’t you understand that. I don't understand that, curtains. What if he did? If he were just a private shareholder without equity held in a holding company, he could still sell such shares if he wanted - what's the difference? He'd have to sell those same shares to get funds into Sevco 5112 to repay his loan. He couldn't just take money out of the club in either case , fail via dividends (in either case). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramet Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 9 hours ago, RamNut said: The group owe mel £95.6m. Any potential purchaser would surely acquire the whole group. Some posters have suggested that mel would want his money back. Others have said he would write it off. We don't know. But the debt exists, and may or may not become relevant in the future. we do not need to sell? I think significant sales have become essential. i'm pretty sure that transfers have to be self-financing now, and that we require the profits on sales for reasons that i have already given. for what its worth, i agreed with the sales of hendrick and ince, but if we have to sell every year - which is the position i think we've got ourselves into - then thats not good. When we do rebuild i hope we will have learned from our errors. Don't pay what we can't reasonably afford to pay. If we do get to another play-off final and fail again, then next time let anyone go who wants to move to the prem. Don't try and match those wages and end up in a spiral of escalating wage costs. Again the bit you dont seem to get it the debt is to mel from servco and servco it owned by mel.so for the last time there is not debt owed to mel FROM DCFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 12 hours ago, Ramet said: Again i have no doubt you have good points.the over spend on the academy is a must if we are to be able to move forward but it will take time The Academy will probably fail like they all do.. Don’t hang your hat on that. Accountants are paid to move money around, it does not matter where the poo sits, it’s still poo. Ramnut is in essence right, we trade at a loss, the rest is semantics.. You made a bold statement in an earlier post that Morris is going nowhere. How do you know that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, Angry Ram said: The Academy will probably fail like they all do.. Don’t hang your hat on that. Accountants are paid to move money around, it does not matter where the poo sits, it’s still poo. Ramnut is in essence right, we trade at a loss, the rest is semantics.. You made a bold statement in an earlier post that Morris is going nowhere. How do you know that? Yes we in essence trade at a loss but why does that worry anyone? If Mel walks away dcfc owe him nothing. We can debate whether any club should trade at a loss or not but that is a separate argument. The only way Mel gets his money out is if the club is very successful in the premier league over many seasons and has built the finances to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Why the need for more belittling and snide comments? Seems a bit unnecessary, and not ‘really funny’ - but l am not an accountant. It’s accrual world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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