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Philmycock

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8 hours ago, Carnero said:

They don't seem to understand that people in certain areas of a ground WILL stand.

So the real question is whether it is safer for these areas to have the rail seating or fixed seating?

We all know the answer to that.

They just think it’s like seats at the Opera though, they won’t understand it at all, it’ll not be debated properly, Etonians and whips don’t know or care about football

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whiteroseram

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On 02/05/2018 at 13:51, RoyMac5 said:

Not if they don't really approach it seriously, I reckon it'd just sink it and they'd give you the 'we've looked at it already' line for ever more.

This is exactly what I expected! Was pleasantly surprised that Labour have said they'll back it though so at least that means there should be a proper debate if nothing else

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After some pressure the government has altered it’s response.  Still not certain that they are committed though.

The new response is:

The Government thanks all the football supporters who made their views known about this issue through correspondence or through the recent online petition. Many of those were concerned that the proposal from West Bromwich Albion FC made earlier this year to install a standing section was rejected. The law governing all licensed stadia would need to be changed for that proposal to go ahead.

The Government’s current policy is that all-seater stadia are the best means to ensure the safety and security of fans at designated football matches in England and Wales. However the time is now right for us to reexamine that policy in light of the technological changes in stadium and seating design as well as the representations from both clubs and supporters on this issue.

We continue to work closely with the Sports Grounds Safety Authority to consider advances in technology and data on the issue.

The safety of spectators at sports grounds has always been of paramount importance for the Government. The all-seater policy was introduced in the top two divisions in the early 1990s, following a recommendation in Lord Justice Taylor’s Final Report into the Hillsborough Stadium Disaster.

All-seater stadiums have been a success. Benefits include: 
● improved crowd management and crowd behaviour; 
● modern, comfortable, and inviting facilities for spectators; 
● increased inclusivity and diversity amongst those attending matches 
- Premier League research has shown that the percentage of crowds attending Premier League matches from a Black and Minority Ethnic background continues to increase season-on-season, and is now at a record 16% (2014/2015 season); more women and children attending games helps to nurture the next generation of supporters - Premier League research has shown that a record 26% of match attendees are female, and that children's season ticket sales now make up 12% of all Premier League season ticket sales (2014/2015 season); 
● enhanced security and policing to keep spectators safe; 
● there have been fewer reported incidents and injuries to spectators, and 
● Increased spectator attendances - by 60% - contributing to the future health of the game.

Given the success of all seater stadiums, the safety reasons for introducing the policy, and the enhancements that seated spectators have enjoyed, the Government would need strong evidence and rationale to change that policy. 
The Government is aware of the calls from a wide range of interest groups including some football clubs and supporters’ groups to introduce standing areas for spectators at football matches in the top two divisions of English football. 
We will continue to listen to supporters’ groups and other stakeholders who would like to see the reintroduction of standing at football in the top two tiers. The introduction of rail seating at Celtic Park and more recently at Shrewsbury Town FC informs the debate about the future of spectator accommodation at football matches. It is important that we have this debate and that it is informed by the evidence.

The Government is not complacent about spectator safety, nor are we complacent about the safety policies that have served spectators well for many years. But we acknowledge that policies must remain relevant and effective. Technology and stadium design have evolved since the all-seater policy was introduced. It is important that all the evidence and viewpoints are considered extremely carefully.

The Sports Minister looks forward to discussing at length the nuances and complexities of sports ground safety in Parliament later this month.

Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport

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therams69

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Good move I feel on what has now been said but a few thoughts of my own on the below.

All-seater stadiums have been a success. Benefits include: 

● improved crowd management and crowd behaviour; 

Cant naturally disagree with this but bringing in safe standing would not alter this.


● modern, comfortable, and inviting facilities for spectators; 

Believe it or not the concourses and toilets would still be the same. After all they are facilities. Technically quite a few of the all seated stadiums are very uncomfortable if you to sit in the seats due to the legroom.


● increased inclusivity and diversity amongst those attending matches 

Because having a choice on whether a fan wishes to sit or stand would change this.


- Premier League research has shown that the percentage of crowds attending Premier League matches from a Black and Minority Ethnic background continues to increase season-on-season, and is now at a record 16% (2014/2015 season); more women and children attending games helps to nurture the next generation of supporters - Premier League research has shown that a record 26% of match attendees are female, and that children's season ticket sales now make up 12% of all Premier League season ticket sales (2014/2015 season); 

Because women or children dont want to stand at football said no one ever.


● enhanced security and policing to keep spectators safe; 

Would be the same with safe standing and no you havent kept football supporters safe as you havent managed to get everyone to sit down at a match thus technically making it unsafe.


● there have been fewer reported incidents and injuries to spectators, and 

Garbage. Absolute garbage.


● Increased spectator attendances - by 60% - contributing to the future health of the game.

That may have something to do with the foreign influx of players we have seen over the past 20 years.

 

 

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On 13 June 2018 at 23:06, therams69 said:

Good move I feel on what has now been said but a few thoughts of my own on the below.

All-seater stadiums have been a success. Benefits include: 

● improved crowd management and crowd behaviour; 

Cant naturally disagree with this but bringing in safe standing would not alter this.


● modern, comfortable, and inviting facilities for spectators; 

Believe it or not the concourses and toilets would still be the same. After all they are facilities. Technically quite a few of the all seated stadiums are very uncomfortable if you to sit in the seats due to the legroom.


● increased inclusivity and diversity amongst those attending matches 

Because having a choice on whether a fan wishes to sit or stand would change this.


- Premier League research has shown that the percentage of crowds attending Premier League matches from a Black and Minority Ethnic background continues to increase season-on-season, and is now at a record 16% (2014/2015 season); more women and children attending games helps to nurture the next generation of supporters - Premier League research has shown that a record 26% of match attendees are female, and that children's season ticket sales now make up 12% of all Premier League season ticket sales (2014/2015 season); 

Because women or children dont want to stand at football said no one ever.


● enhanced security and policing to keep spectators safe; 

Would be the same with safe standing and no you havent kept football supporters safe as you havent managed to get everyone to sit down at a match thus technically making it unsafe.


● there have been fewer reported incidents and injuries to spectators, and 

Garbage. Absolute garbage.


● Increased spectator attendances - by 60% - contributing to the future health of the game.

That may have something to do with the foreign influx of players we have seen over the past 20 years.

 

 

Great clip on East Midlands News today Mon 25th June 2018 with @therams69 regarding safe standing.

Keep up the fantastic work.

 

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So the review needs evidence of injuries in all-seater stadia where standing takes place.

Surely this is simple, use CCTV provided by clubs focussed on these areas when goals are scored. Easy.

Derby should have enough footage of goals vs Forest in the South Stand to put this to bed fairly quickly.

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Surely any review should be based on the comparison of safe standing and the existing situation of standing in the seating areas. 

In that case, I fail to see one benefit the current situation has over safe standing, other than the cost of installing. But, I suspect the people gathering information will be sitting in the directors box rather than the South stand or the away corner, if/when they come to PP. 

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9 hours ago, ram59 said:

Surely any review should be based on the comparison of safe standing and the existing situation of standing in the seating areas. 

In that case, I fail to see one benefit the current situation has over safe standing, other than the cost of installing. But, I suspect the people gathering information will be sitting in the directors box rather than the South stand or the away corner, if/when they come to PP. 

I am sure we would get wind of a visit ... And I am also sure there would be quite a few injuries reported that day. ?

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