Millwall F.C. v Derby County F.C.

[Boycie]

Championship

Tue 30 Jan, 19:45/7.45pm

The (New) Den, London

It the ‘Wall verses the Rams next up.

Get into em, smash and grab, get out.

Never been personally, but I can guess it’s not only a bugger to get to mid week, the locals are a bit grumpy too. But that’s them  cockaneys for you, no pie n mash, no party.

I don’t expect it to be pretty, they’re not too bad at home compared to not winning away.  (We don’t count Leeds) Hopefully it’ll be soak up the pressure and bitch slap them on the break.

Fingers crossed. Look out for @Angry Ram and the other pearly kings and queens down there, Oi Oi! Saveloy!

Whats word on d’street?

[r_wilcockson]

Carson; Baird, Keogh, Davies, Olsson; Huddlestone, Ledley; Russell, Vydra, Weimann; Jerome

[Van der MoodHoover]

Word on t'street is.....

If Boycie doesn't know the difference between East End mobs with their Pearlys and the Sarf Lahndan Gangs then he'll earn himself a right good kicking. 

[A Ram for All Seasons]

With Millwall, you don't need to earn yourself a good kicking, they'll give you one for free.

[DerbyRevolution]

Will be down there about 2pm

Neptune Bus I believe is leaving pretty early?! Anyone know where they’ll be boozing all afternoon? 

Tough game

[Comrade 86]

29 minutes ago, HantsRam said:

Word on t'street is.....

If Boycie doesn't know the difference between East End mobs with their Pearlys and the Sarf Lahndan Gangs then he'll earn himself a right good kicking. 

It's simple. One lot wants to give you a good kicking. The other wants to give you a good kicking then feed you to the pigs.

The Sarf Lahndan lot are the latter.

[Leon the ram 2009]

My brother once asked a Millwall fan, a lad we’d gotten to know well from working in Peckham, why Millwall doesn’t like Derby, to which he replied don’t warry bout it son, we hate everybody..... TBF we never had any dramas down there and this youth was sound, I never got to go to the Den tho

[Sparkle]

Tough game, one point or three is a return 

after the first game we have to start with nugent and Vydra surely ?

[OohMartWright]

5 minutes ago, Sparkle said:

Tough game, one point or three is a return 

after the first game we have to start with nugent and Vydra surely ?

I agree about Nugent and Vydra. I would then expect to see Jerome come on later to exploit tired defenders.

[ttkk]

Hello again.

 

Just a few things... 'New' Den? Never, ever been called that. It was given the name New London Stadium when it was a building project, but became officially The Den when we moved in & the old place was knocked down. Besides, the place is 25 years old now & rusting to ****! 

 

As for the East End v south London thing. Millwall have a foot in both camps. Millwall’s roots are in the very heart of the old East End, amongst the hustle and bustle of Victorian London’s docks.  Founded as Millwall Rovers by tin-smiths working at the J.T. Morton cannery and preserve factory near Millwall Dock in 1885 - despite what Eastenders try to imp;y, Millwall are the original & only professional football club to play in what most people would classify as the 'proper' East End. West Ham United have always played in east London.

When space ran out on the Isle of Dogs we moved just over the river to New Cross in 1910. However, this was still considered 'docklands' London, what with the Surrey Commercial Docks just down the road. In fact, on moving Millwall began to attract support from the docker communities on both sides of the river; the Football League even agreed to allow Millwall games to kick-off at 3:15pm to allow dockers to finish their Saturday shifts and make the games on time right into the 1960s. Millwall have always been considered the team of 'docklands' London & when the docks were thriving Millwall were actually one of the best supported clubs in the country between the wars, with crowds of 25-35,000 for 2nd and 3rd tier football, and 40-50,000 for derbies and big cup matches.

Because of our appalling reputation and lack of any sustained success Millwall's support is pretty 'pure' - ie passed down through the generations, and through local neighbourhoods - we don't really attract the new breed of football fans, they tend to go to Palace, Chelsea or Charlton. Therefore, if you speak to Millwall fans you can see that about 70% of our support has roots in SE London and 30% in the old East End (such as Bob Crow, Darren Purse). Or, like Danny Baker in both - his dad was from Millwall E14, mum from just over the river, where he grew up. 

In essence, I would say a more accurate description of Millwall's character is a London docklands club - rather than south London (we are very different to Palace & Charlton) or pure East End. 

[ttkk]

Btw, if anybody wants ideas on parking, where to drink etc. then just ask...

[Van der MoodHoover]

1 hour ago, ttkk said:

Hello again.

 

Just a few things... 'New' Den? Never, ever been called that. It was given the name New London Stadium when it was a building project, but became officially The Den when we moved in & the old place was knocked down. Besides, the place is 25 years old now & rusting to ****! 

 

As for the East End v south London thing. Millwall have a foot in both camps. Millwall’s roots are in the very heart of the old East End, amongst the hustle and bustle of Victorian London’s docks.  Founded as Millwall Rovers by tin-smiths working at the J.T. Morton cannery and preserve factory near Millwall Dock in 1885 - despite what Eastenders try to imp;y, Millwall are the original & only professional football club to play in what most people would classify as the 'proper' East End. West Ham United have always played in east London.

When space ran out on the Isle of Dogs we moved just over the river to New Cross in 1910. However, this was still considered 'docklands' London, what with the Surrey Commercial Docks just down the road. In fact, on moving Millwall began to attract support from the docker communities on both sides of the river; the Football League even agreed to allow Millwall games to kick-off at 3:15pm to allow dockers to finish their Saturday shifts and make the games on time right into the 1960s. Millwall have always been considered the team of 'docklands' London & when the docks were thriving Millwall were actually one of the best supported clubs in the country between the wars, with crowds of 25-35,000 for 2nd and 3rd tier football, and 40-50,000 for derbies and big cup matches.

Because of our appalling reputation and lack of any sustained success Millwall's support is pretty 'pure' - ie passed down through the generations, and through local neighbourhoods - we don't really attract the new breed of football fans, they tend to go to Palace, Chelsea or Charlton. Therefore, if you speak to Millwall fans you can see that about 70% of our support has roots in SE London and 30% in the old East End (such as Bob Crow, Darren Purse). Or, like Danny Baker in both - his dad was from Millwall E14, mum from just over the river, where he grew up. 

In essence, I would say a more accurate description of Millwall's character is a London docklands club - rather than south London (we are very different to Palace & Charlton) or pure East End. 

Excellent post - very insightful.

Don't mind us...we're just an eclectic bunch of woollybacks and ex-pats who've lost the use of the "ow" dipthong (as in "nowt", "owt"......)

[EulogyForEvolution]

              Carson
Baird Keogh Davies Forsyth
    Huddlestone Ledley
Weimann   Vydra    Russell
                Winnall

Mitchell, Wisdom, Pearce, Thorne, Lawrence, Nugent, Jerome

I think we'll have to win ugly, but with that team we'd have every chance.

[McRainy]

3 hours ago, ttkk said:

Millwall’s roots are in the very heart of the old East End...

Interesting post, thank you. Always had a grudging respect for Millwall, despite the rep. 

[Mistaram]

4 hours ago, ttkk said:

Hello again.

 

Just a few things... 'New' Den? Never, ever been called that. It was given the name New London Stadium when it was a building project, but became officially The Den when we moved in & the old place was knocked down. Besides, the place is 25 years old now & rusting to ****! 

 

As for the East End v south London thing. Millwall have a foot in both camps. Millwall’s roots are in the very heart of the old East End, amongst the hustle and bustle of Victorian London’s docks.  Founded as Millwall Rovers by tin-smiths working at the J.T. Morton cannery and preserve factory near Millwall Dock in 1885 - despite what Eastenders try to imp;y, Millwall are the original & only professional football club to play in what most people would classify as the 'proper' East End. West Ham United have always played in east London.

When space ran out on the Isle of Dogs we moved just over the river to New Cross in 1910. However, this was still considered 'docklands' London, what with the Surrey Commercial Docks just down the road. In fact, on moving Millwall began to attract support from the docker communities on both sides of the river; the Football League even agreed to allow Millwall games to kick-off at 3:15pm to allow dockers to finish their Saturday shifts and make the games on time right into the 1960s. Millwall have always been considered the team of 'docklands' London & when the docks were thriving Millwall were actually one of the best supported clubs in the country between the wars, with crowds of 25-35,000 for 2nd and 3rd tier football, and 40-50,000 for derbies and big cup matches.

Because of our appalling reputation and lack of any sustained success Millwall's support is pretty 'pure' - ie passed down through the generations, and through local neighbourhoods - we don't really attract the new breed of football fans, they tend to go to Palace, Chelsea or Charlton. Therefore, if you speak to Millwall fans you can see that about 70% of our support has roots in SE London and 30% in the old East End (such as Bob Crow, Darren Purse). Or, like Danny Baker in both - his dad was from Millwall E14, mum from just over the river, where he grew up. 

In essence, I would say a more accurate description of Millwall's character is a London docklands club - rather than south London (we are very different to Palace & Charlton) or pure East End. 

Zzzzzzzzzzz. And we don't care 

[ThePrisoner]

38 minutes ago, Mistaram said:

Zzzzzzzzzzz. And we don't care 

Speak for yourself, I found it interesting. I enjoy other clubs fans giving a little insight. 

[jagerbob]

8 minutes ago, ThePrisoner said:

Speak for yourself, I found it interesting. I enjoy other clubs fans giving a little insight. 

perhaps it was a slight on "no one likes us, no one likes us, we dont care ..."

[Mistaram]

39 minutes ago, ThePrisoner said:

Speak for yourself, I found it interesting. I enjoy other clubs fans giving a little insight. 

I was speaking for myself nobody could ever say anything about Millwall that would make me like them or be interested in them  Scum club with scum fans 

[McRainy]

22 minutes ago, Mistaram said:

I was speaking for myself nobody could ever say anything about Millwall that would make me like them or be interested in them  Scum club with scum fans 

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

[ttkk]

12 minutes ago, Mistaram said:

I was speaking for myself nobody could ever say anything about Millwall that would make me like them or be interested in them  Scum club with scum fans 

Not sure you could say the club are scum. Millwall FC pioneered community work in this country, way, way before it was seen as good for branding & public profile - starting in the early 1980s. For example, they opened a creche, ran (& still run), workshops to help young adults in the area apply for jobs & gain skills, have clubs for isolated members of the local community (such as the elderly or disabled), visit schools and run even more workshops for educating young people about knife and gun crime, open the club facilities up to local charities for free, run a food-bank for local people, have taken part and pioneered so many anti-racism initiatives that they are the highest ranked club in the Kick-Out rankings & have made the fact that Millwall have the highest ratio of ethnic minority season ticket holders outside PL possible.  Millwall also pioneered the promotion of women and girl's football in the UK, starting (again) way back before it was seen as 'good' for the brand, by becoming the first professional football club in UK to affiliate with a female team (Millwall Lionesses) in 1985 and the first to open and run a centre of excellence for female players. The club has also pioneered the sugar tax in the last year or so, donating all profits (the tax) from sugary items to local schools and education projects. 

People scoffed when Millwall won the EFL'Family club of the year' award, but without realising that Millwall put more into their community in terms of ratio of actual income than any other football club in the country. Lewisham council said that Millwall save them over £7m a year, by stepping in and providing these workshops, projects and facilities. 

 

As for us fans, yes, we do some have some bad apples - the club is based in inner-city London, so hardly a surprise. However, we have many diamonds. Currently Sunderland, West Ham and Leeds United fans will attest to this; as Millwall fans raised £2,800 for Bradley Lowery Foundation with an independent fund raiser; have got the club to promote the cause of Isla Caton, a 3yr old girl West Ham fan with neuroblastoma in the matchday programme and raised funds for her treatment at home games; and in the last week the 1,400 fans who went to Elland Road have decided to donate their refunds (Leeds broke rules in charging us more that the top price home end ticket) to the fund set up for Leeds fan Toby Nye, a 4 year old also fighting neuroblastoma. Furthermore, the club turned a very good offer from a pay-day loan company a few years back to sponsor us; instead listening to fans in choosing to donate the equivalent fee to the Prostate Cancer charity, adorning our shirts with their logo and fan groups raising thousands at home games. Millwall also raised thousands for Headley Court - a special rehabilitation centre for injured servicemen and servicewomen, plus produced a special kit to raise awareness and more money. The British Legion also wrote to Millwall thanking fans for their huge contribution at a home game collection, saying that the 12,000 Millwall fans in attendance raised more money than at any other club in the country, including the 75,000 at Old Trafford. 

I would argue that the good far outweighs the bad at Millwall. I see us as a kind of rough school on a council estate, where the staff really care & the majority of kids are decent - but it's always the few bad ones that make the headlines and keep the bad reputation going for outsiders.