Fraser_23 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 12 minutes ago, TuffLuff said: All considered I didn’t think he played too badly yesterday. I’d love some people to play full back, where you suddenly don’t have the full pitch to pass and your options are limited due to not enough movement. In times like that it can be the hardest position to play, get heckled for a poor pass, heckled for hoofing, heckled for losing the ball trying to dribble into space. You cant win. Give him a break, think there were worst culprits yesterday He’s paid to play full back. He’s paid to make decisions. He’s paid to make passes. Yes, I can see where your coming from, but he’s on at least 20k a WEEK! He was awful yesterday and there honestly is no way of defending some of his errors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PodgeyRam Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, Lokidoki said: Here we go again - criticise a player and memory banks go awry. I notice the caveated "since we started climbing the table" - remember the Reading match? Also what about all of the misplaced balls - My imagination. Nearly all to the opposition unfortunately; this is football whereupon you don't give the ball to the other side, perhaps that's been forgotten. I do remember the Reading match. I remember him being at fault for one goal. Remember Curtis Davies messing up for another but he doesn't get half as much criticism does he? He had a higher pass success rate than Chris Baird yesterday but I don't see people having a go at Baird. This season Forsyth's pass success is 65.4%. That's not nearly all to the opposition at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PodgeyRam Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 12 minutes ago, Gypsy Ram said: I'm sorry, he's had half a season and not shown anything of note after his horrific injury. He's okay not that special - lovable bloke but not the future. I think I am in the minority on this, but I would have let him go as I don't think his level matches where we want to go. I think he's our best left back and as such should be played. He can be dropped to the bench when we get someone better in his position, which we don't currently have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lokidoki Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, PodgeyRam said: Forsyth's pass success is 65.4% Depends where you pass to, a successful hospital pass is still a hospital pass. It also gives nearly 35% back to the opposition and not like some players where the ball goes simply out of touch.Yesterday the pass rate was 61.5%. One of the completed passes includes the skyward spooned pass which I think was picked up fortunately by Huddlestone. I agree that Chris Baird had a poor game yesterday but it is much more unusual to witness. We need more consistency from CF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuffLuff Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 22 minutes ago, Fraser_23 said: He’s paid to play full back. He’s paid to make decisions. He’s paid to make passes. Yes, I can see where your coming from, but he’s on at least 20k a WEEK! He was awful yesterday and there honestly is no way of defending some of his errors Wingers and midfielders are paid to do their jobs too which includes supporting the full back, they are all paid to be part of a team. You plucked a figure out of thin air. Did any errors cause goals? All players make mistakes, he also recovered himself nicely on a few occasions. It wasn’t ideal, but he’s getting there. Playing those 4 games over Christmas will do him the world of good fitness wise and he’s got through it. Just don’t feel this need to have a go, it was all over Radio Derby yesterday too and it was unnecessary. The problem we potentially face is upfield because they can’t keep the ball for a spell of pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PodgeyRam Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, Lokidoki said: Depends where you pass to, a successful hospital pass is still a hospital pass. It also gives nearly 35% back to the opposition and not like some players where the ball goes simply out of touch.Yesterday the pass rate was 61.5%. One of the completed passes includes the skyward spooned pass which I think was picked up fortunately by Huddlestone. I agree that Chris Baird had a poor game yesterday but it is much more unusual to witness. We need more consistency from CF. I suspect the Christmas period may have taken it's toll on him. He's come back from two long lay-offs and he looked a little leggy. When you're tired you make more mistakes. I think now that the busiest period of the year over we'll see more consistency from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraser_23 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, TuffLuff said: Wingers and midfielders are paid to do their jobs too which includes supporting the full back, they are all paid to be part of a team. You plucked a figure out of thin air. Did any errors cause goals? All players make mistakes, he also recovered himself nicely on a few occasions. It wasn’t ideal, but he’s getting there. Playing those 4 games over Christmas will do him the world of good fitness wise and he’s got through it. Just don’t feel this need to have a go, it was all over Radio Derby yesterday too and it was unnecessary. The problem we potentially face is upfield because they can’t keep the ball for a spell of pressure. All I’m saying is that Forsyth was terrible. He was by far the worst yesterday. There weren’t any goals because davies saved his backside on a number of occasions. As for “plucking a figure out of thin air”. That “figure” is most likely correct. Go to 5:43 in the highlights (beaten far too easily) 6:16 ( his positioning for their goal is dreadful) ( worst than Baird) 8:41 ( a fair bit of time with the ball and decides to hoof it up in the air which is honestly shocking) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fraser_23 said: All I’m saying is that Forsyth was terrible. He was by far the worst yesterday. There weren’t any goals because davies saved his backside on a number of occasions. As for “plucking a figure out of thin air”. That “figure” is most likely correct. Go to 5:43 in the highlights (beaten far too easily) 6:16 ( his positioning for their goal is dreadful) ( worst than Baird) 8:41 ( a fair bit of time with the ball and decides to hoof it up in the air which is honestly shocking) Amazing the lengths some fans will go to justify their criticism of individual players. He had a poor match, probably his worst this season but he wasnt6alone in that respect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraser_23 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 15 minutes ago, Wolfie20 said: Amazing the lengths some fans will go to justify their criticism of individual players. He had a poor match, probably his worst this season but he wasnt6alone in that respect I was justifying my criticism because somebody else challenged my opinion. Think it was only right to provide evidence to support my judgement of his game yesterday. I never said he was the only player who played badly but he sure was one of the main ones. Saying this is a CRAIG FORSYTH thread I am hardly going to criticise another player. Also hardly “going to lengths” saying as I watched a 10 minute highlight video which I paused 3 times. Madness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gypsy Ram Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 hour ago, PodgeyRam said: I think he's our best left back and as such should be played. He can be dropped to the bench when we get someone better in his position, which we don't currently have. then well have 3 leftbacks waiting in the wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gypsy Ram Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 I have no idea why he was offered a new contract. Madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 50 minutes ago, Fraser_23 said: All I’m saying is that Forsyth was terrible. He was by far the worst yesterday. There weren’t any goals because davies saved his backside on a number of occasions. As for “plucking a figure out of thin air”. That “figure” is most likely correct. Go to 5:43 in the highlights (beaten far too easily) 6:16 ( his positioning for their goal is dreadful) ( worst than Baird) 8:41 ( a fair bit of time with the ball and decides to hoof it up in the air which is honestly shocking) Utter Tripe 5.43 He wasn't beaten He faced up their player who passed it to someone else. 6.16 Was it really worse than Baird, Baird was nearer but made no attempt to challenge 8.41 Not a great clearance but all the other players made worse mistakes Here is a word for you. Context. He was out for ages and has just played 4 games in 10 days. He was knackered and did his best. Is he the best LB in the championship? No Is he a good as he was before the injuries? No Is he the best LB at the club? Yes He is obviously low on confidence and the crowd constantly moaning does no good at all. Weimann twice headed the ball to their forwards but got no stick. Vydra way overhit a pass to Weimann which should have made it 2-0. Players make mistakes. Tired players make more mistakes. Look at our defensive record. Forsyth is part of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PodgeyRam Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 13 minutes ago, Gypsy Ram said: then well have 3 leftbacks waiting in the wing. Then get rid of Olsson first. You don't get rid of the best player in a position (like Rowett clearly thinks Forsyth is) before getting the person who will replace them. Lowe has the potential to be better than him, but he has to get up to fitness and displace him first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PodgeyRam Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, Gypsy Ram said: I have no idea why he was offered a new contract. Madness. Because he's coming back from a long injury, has shown glimpses of his old form, is our best left back at the moment and stops him leaving on a free at the end of the season. I can't actually see any negatives to giving him. If Rowett wants shot of him at the end of the season then it's more than likely that he will leave. The new contract means we'll get some money for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraser_23 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 13 minutes ago, sage said: Utter Tripe 5.43 He wasn't beaten He faced up their player who passed it to someone else. 6.16 Was it really worse than Baird, Baird was nearer but made no attempt to challenge 8.41 Not a great clearance but all the other players made worse mistakes Here is a word for you. Context. He was out for ages and has just played 4 games in 10 days. He was knackered and did his best. Is he the best LB in the championship? No Is he a good as he was before the injuries? No Is he the best LB at the club? Yes He is obviously low on confidence and the crowd constantly moaning does no good at all. Weimann twice headed the ball to their forwards but got no stick. Vydra way overhit a pass to Weimann which should have made it 2-0. Players make mistakes. Tired players make more mistakes. Look at our defensive record. Forsyth is part of that. Fair enough. I only looked at his worst parts and I apologise for being narrow minded. However, if he isn’t the fittest, then it goes back to my original suggestion at getting a new left back. This is a Craig Forsyth thread so I didn’t comment on other players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gypsy Ram Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 19 minutes ago, sage said: Utter Tripe 5.43 He wasn't beaten He faced up their player who passed it to someone else. 6.16 Was it really worse than Baird, Baird was nearer but made no attempt to challenge 8.41 Not a great clearance but all the other players made worse mistakes Here is a word for you. Context. He was out for ages and has just played 4 games in 10 days. He was knackered and did his best. Is he the best LB in the championship? No Is he a good as he was before the injuries? No Is he the best LB at the club? Yes He is obviously low on confidence and the crowd constantly moaning does no good at all. Weimann twice headed the ball to their forwards but got no stick. Vydra way overhit a pass to Weimann which should have made it 2-0. Players make mistakes. Tired players make more mistakes. Look at our defensive record. Forsyth is part of that. too much time on your hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Ram Posted January 3, 2018 Author Share Posted January 3, 2018 Just now, Gypsy Ram said: too much time on your hand Good counter-argument from someone with nearly 4,000 posts on an Internet forum. I think we've all got too much time on our hands, mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gypsy Ram Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Says the guy with 6000 15 minutes ago, Leicester Ram said: Good counter-argument from someone with nearly 4,000 posts on an Internet forum. I think we've all got too much time on our hands, mate.says Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Forsyth had another really strong game at Ipswich just 48 hours before this match. He was doing plenty of attacking as well as defending. Getting up and down the field from the full back position is one of the most tiring jobs whereas other players tend to stick more to their area of the pitch. We know Rowett wouldn't have played him if Olsson had been well yet some still want to condemn him. I am not in the least surprised that most of Fozzy's best games this season have been away from home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistaram Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 28 minutes ago, angieram said: Forsyth had another really strong game at Ipswich just 48 hours before this match. He was doing plenty of attacking as well as defending. Getting up and down the field from the full back position is one of the most tiring jobs whereas other players tend to stick more to their area of the pitch. We know Rowett wouldn't have played him if Olsson had been well yet some still want to condemn him. I am not in the least surprised that most of Fozzy's best games this season have been away from home. Couldn't agree more I was at Ipswich he had a great game But you know Derby fans there always has to be one its been Keogh then Butters drove Christie out looks like its Fozzy now You can sit and make stupid analysis of all goals if there were no mistakes every game would end 0-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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