TuffLuff Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said: So who is it that is believing that one race is better than another due to this 'blacking up'? Well as I keep saying, for over 100 years white people blacked up for entertainment to play characters who were slow, dumb and lazy. Whether you like it or not, that was a form of entertainment and can’t just be ignored. You might say ‘that’s in the past’ but to be honest I think the amount of people saying that over ‘you know before commenting on this I better look up the history of blacking up’ is the problem here, not faux outrage or anybody creating racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuffLuff Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Norman said: And we'll leave it there. Circles. Yet I don’t know what in heck your opinion is or why mine was damaging? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PodgeyRam Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 I don't think the colour of someones skin should be treated as a costume you can put on and off. If you want to dress up as Nick Fury from Marvel, just wear the eye patch and the trench coat. If you want to dress up as Michael Jordan, wear his shirt and his shoes. There's no need to black up to imitate someone well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuitYourJibbaJivin Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Colm said: Racist people eat food. If you eat food you're indulging in racist behaviour In as poorly an argued thread as this, to write the worst post is quite an achievement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 As a rule of thumb, ask yourself if doing it leaves you with a pretty decent chance of getting your head kicked in. If I went up Derby like that I’d fully expect a broken nose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 3 hours ago, StivePesley said: Yawn - not even going to go there. Griezmann has showed his ignorance. Don't show yours Exactly the sort of response I would have expected... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 3 hours ago, TuffLuff said: Well as I keep saying, for over 100 years white people blacked up for entertainment to play characters who were slow, dumb and lazy. Whether you like it or not, that was a form of entertainment and can’t just be ignored. You might say ‘that’s in the past’ but to be honest I think the amount of people saying that over ‘you know before commenting on this I better look up the history of blacking up’ is the problem here, not faux outrage or anybody creating racism. Why should I have to look it up? If I don't the history of it there's a reasonable likelihood that black people of my age and younger won't either, so why bring it to people's attention and make an issue of it. Just the same as I don't expect German people apologising for all of their lives for bombing my ancestors, I don't expect to spend all of my life being apologetic because my ancestors treated their ancestors badly. FWIW I actually believe my black and asian friends would be cringing at the supposed defence of them on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Can't be arsed to read through all this but 'Jingle Bells' is racist. Apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 4 hours ago, SaintRam said: I'd argue the reason there's any confusion as to which character you are is down to a lack of effort in the costume or a poor/lazy choice of character. Your friend (who's becoming more intelligent with every post) clearly wanted to be Thor as its a very recognisable look, and he wanted to get past the awkward "so who are you supposed to be?" conversations that I guarantee you would STILL get even if you blackfaced. Your answer would probably just disappoint them. I'll be honest Tedd, I don't think you're coming away from this party with many happy memories. I hope the food is good. **** it! Knew I should’ve gone with the red wig and shoved a couple of melons up my top and been black widow. And ironically the only reason I wouldn’t be instantly recognised if because black people have been poorly represented in pop culture, especially comic books, so no one but the hard core faithful would know who black panther is (I didn’t til they cast him in age of ultranationalist) - I’m going to leave that in there, that’s a hilariously inappropriate autocorrect. Falcon and nick fury weren’t black in the comics either. That’s institutional racism that is. I’m not sure if I just won my argument or someone else’s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 46 minutes ago, TigerTedd said: **** it! Knew I should’ve gone with the red wig and shoved a couple of melons up my top and been black widow. Good idea, then we could have started a sexism thread as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossieram Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Showed the picture to 2 black workmates today and they both laughed, when I told them he had been branded a racist by some people they laughed again. Both basically called the people that were moaning idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringerBell Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 On 18/12/2017 at 17:13, SaintRam said: Almost entirely characters, now I think about it. John Coffey, Nick Fury, Lando Calrissian The ghostbuster, Winston I think his name was (3 black guys went as the other 3 ghostbusters) That's off the top of my head, there's definitely more I just can't remember the names of the characters. Some of them could be people. Don’t know if anybody has said this but Nick Fury wasn’t black until about 15 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringerBell Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 I really can’t be arsed with this. All I’ll say is this. I never want to be stuck in the trenches with some of you lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 3 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: FWIW I actually believe my black and asian friends would be cringing at the supposed defence of them on this thread. Oh did you mention your black and Asian friends? I'm not a murderer. Did I mention that some of my best friends are alive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringerBell Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Ah, the old having a black friend makes you racist thing. Some black guy tried talking to me the other day. Seemed a decent chap. So I told him to **** off because I’m not racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 30 minutes ago, StivePesley said: I'm not a murderer. Did I mention that some of my best friends are alive? Only because your imagination has allowed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Every year, hundreds of people in the small Spanish city of Alcoy, in Alicante province, paint their faces black. They dress up in head-to-toe black clothing and draw on big red lips. For those outside of Alcoy, the effect is startling: a minstrel show on steroids. full story here https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/12/18/trans_iberian/1513600440_342120.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 10 hours ago, StringerBell said: Don’t know if anybody has said this but Nick Fury wasn’t black until about 15 years ago. I know that - this was definitely the Samuel L Jackson version though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 13 hours ago, TigerTedd said: **** it! Knew I should’ve gone with the red wig and shoved a couple of melons up my top and been black widow. And ironically the only reason I wouldn’t be instantly recognised if because black people have been poorly represented in pop culture, especially comic books, so no one but the hard core faithful would know who black panther is (I didn’t til they cast him in age of ultranationalist) - I’m going to leave that in there, that’s a hilariously inappropriate autocorrect. Falcon and nick fury weren’t black in the comics either. That’s institutional racism that is. I’m not sure if I just won my argument or someone else’s I meant to emphasise the lack of effort in costume was just citing other possible reasons. Probably someone else's, also. Institutional racism is definitely a thing though, I don't think anyone argues against that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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