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you can find the whole minutes meeting here 

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6. The Academy: How strong are the Club’s youth teams? Are we likely to see academy graduates in the next few years? What is the general jump from academy to league football?

6.1  MM said the role of the academy was to nurture talent that created players of value who could go on to play for Derby County or elsewhere in the game professionally, as Will Hughes, Jeff Hendrick and Tom Huddlestone had done in the past.

6.2  MM asked the group how important winning games was at academy level. MM agreed with JC that winning games was certainly less important than developing talent.

6.3  MM noted that Will Hughes and Jeff Hendrick worked out because they were given a chance in the first team due to necessity. He stressed the pathway from the academy to the first team was crucial.

6.4  MM said the academy had done a fantastic job at developing quality young players, but said the Club had not focussed enough on the final transition between the academy and the first team.

6.5  He confirmed a member of staff had been appointed to further develop the relationship between the first team and the academy – with the specific brief of ensuring individual academy players were ready for first team action.

6.6  He said more first team players had recently been involved at U23 level to help win more matches. This boosted confidence and offered the opportunity for young players to learn from experienced colleagues.

6.7  SP said the pathway between the academy and the first team was now smoother thanks to new members of staff that had been recruited to specifically look after this transition.

6.8  MM said the crop of young players coming through was very good and the Club was well

on the way to being able to develop more for the first team.

6.9  MM said there was enough time between now and the next two transfer windows to

discover which academy players were ready to be introduced into the first team.

6.10 JC asked MM if the talent was there and MM confirmed there was a great deal of quality throughout the academy.

6.11 OB said it was much harder for academy players at Derby County to break through than at other clubs. He felt Will Hughes may not have made the transition into the first team if he was breaking through now. OB also noted that Nottingham Forest had been forced to introduce more academy players because of their recent transfer embargo.

6.12 If there were no first team opportunities for young players, quality loan deals would be sought. MM also identified the facilities at the Derby Country Training Centre as second to none.

6.13 GD asked if the first team coaches were joining in and helping academy players. MM said that first team coaches were observing and instructing academy coaches on how to develop individual players to add attributes that would be appealing to the first team.

6.14 MM said academy players were tasked with clearly stating what their own objectives were and assessing their own performance against those set objectives.

6.15 He estimated that there were 12-15 players with high promise in the academy, and the focus on this group would be intense to clear a pathway to the first team.

 


 

 

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1 hour ago, Mistaram said:

There is lot of under23 talent but they play nothing like the first team They play a very good possession game very good to watch no long balls. 

So that's a further departure from the articulated "derby way".

I would assume, all other things being equal, that playing a very different style is not likely to accelerate your progress in Gary rowetts thinking.

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24 minutes ago, David said:

Only Norwich and Fulham have played fewer long balls per game than Derby this season. Sorry to bring stats into this.

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If you look at this again as a percentage of our total passes we are more.mid table

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2 minutes ago, sage said:

If you look at this again as a percentage of our total passes we are more.mid table

11 clubs have played more long balls and less short passes than Derby so you would be correct.

We’re also mid table for average possession for what it’s worth.

One thing also worth pointing out (not to you personally), during the Rowett out discussions, Neil Warnock was touted as a possible replacement to bring more entertaining winning football.

Cardiff played on average 121 short passes per game less, with 6 long balls more per game and 3% less overall possession.

Only 3 clubs have had less possession than Cardiff, Burton, Millwall and Bolton.

I think this shows that fans look at other clubs results and think the grass is always greener in terms of the football.

All about results.

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1 minute ago, David said:

11 clubs have played more long balls and less short passes than Derby so you would be correct.

We’re also mid table for average possession for what it’s worth.

One thing also worth pointing out (not to you personally), during the Rowett out discussions, Neil Warnock was touted as a possible replacement to bring more entertaining winning football.

Cardiff played on average 121 short passes per game less, with 6 long balls more per game and 3% less overall possession.

Only 3 clubs have had less possession than Cardiff, Burton, Millwall and Bolton.

I think this shows that fans look at other clubs results and think the grass is always greener in terms of the football.

All about results.

Nigel used to quote his Dad as saying '3 points shuts everyone up

He obviously didn't get to see this forum.

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48 minutes ago, David said:

Only Norwich and Fulham have played fewer long balls per game than Derby this season. Sorry to bring stats into this.

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Bring them in - not sure what you are trying to prove though ? If our possession is low then we are going to be near the bottom in long passes, what constitutes a long ball ? Reading are top yet they looked a side that liked to play the ball on the grass so once again how are you measuring it?

Stats are ok, however anyone who watches Derby knows we play direct now and more percentage balls, just because we don’t do it as often as others in stats doesn’t really prove anything.

Edit: Just seen your other post, comparing us against other teams still doesn’t mean we play direct football.

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11 hours ago, HantsRam said:

So that's a further departure from the articulated "derby way".

I would assume, all other things being equal, that playing a very different style is not likely to accelerate your progress in Gary rowetts thinking.

Yes that's my thoughts but there is certainly some talent there 

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2 hours ago, David said:

11 clubs have played more long balls and less short passes than Derby so you would be correct.

We’re also mid table for average possession for what it’s worth.

One thing also worth pointing out (not to you personally), during the Rowett out discussions, Neil Warnock was touted as a possible replacement to bring more entertaining winning football.

Cardiff played on average 121 short passes per game less, with 6 long balls more per game and 3% less overall possession.

Only 3 clubs have had less possession than Cardiff, Burton, Millwall and Bolton.

I think this shows that fans look at other clubs results and think the grass is always greener in terms of the football.

All about results.

Warnock was not quoted to bring entertaining winning football He was quoted to bring winning football to do what he's been doing for 25 years Entertaining his not something he does most fans no that 

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13 minutes ago, Mistaram said:

Warnock was not quoted to bring entertaining winning football He was quoted to bring winning football to do what he's been doing for 25 years Entertaining his not something he does most fans no that 

Fans on this forum were complaining that Rowett’s football was boring, when questioned who to replace him with Neil Warnock was mentioned more than once.

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It’s Sunday, nothing on TV, missus at work so thought I’d look into this long ball more.

On average per game.

17/18 - 67 LB, 339 SP, 1 TB (19.7% LB)

16/17 - 71 LB, 376 SP, 1 TB (18.8% LB)

15/16 - 73 LB, 408 SP, 1 TB (17.8% LB)

14/15 - 70 LB, 419 SP, 1 TB (16.6% LB)

13/14 - 68 LB, 398 SP, 1 TB (17.0% LB)

LB = Long Balls, SP = Short Passes, TB = Through Balls

Just for fun, different leagues, but still compared this with Mr Long Ball himself, Tony Pulis.

17/18, West Brom - 71 LB, 246 SP, TB 1 (28.7% LB)

16/17 West Brom - 70 LB, 243 SP, TB 1 (28.6% LB)

Spare a thought for West Brom fans.

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Just now, David said:

It’s Sunday, nothing on TV, missus at work so thought I’d look into this long ball more.

On average per game.

17/18 - 67 LB, 339 SP, 1 TB (19.7% LB)

16/17 - 71 LB, 376 SP, 1 TB (18.8% LB)

15/16 - 73 LB, 408 SP, 1 TB (17.8% LB)

14/15 - 70 LB, 419 SP, 1 TB (16.6% LB)

13/14 - 68 LB, 398 SP, 1 TB (17.0% LB)

LB = Long Balls, SP = Short Passes, TB = Through Balls

Just for fun, different leagues, but still compared this with Mr Long Ball himself, Tony Pulis.

17/18, West Brom - 71 LB, 246 SP, TB 1 (28.7% LB)

16/17 West Brom - 70 LB, 243 SP, TB 1 (28.6% LB)

Spare a thought for West Brom fans.

Just so I'm clear - are the first stats Gary Rowett or Colin?

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