RamNut Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 They really need to sort out whatever the issue is with him and his parents. if he is determined to go, let him go. don't faff about demanding 120k because whatever the contract says, it is morally wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 I just feel that if, as it says in the article, over 80% of these fees are waived then there must be something else in play here that is making Derby stick to their guns. An amicable parting would surely involve the player and parent discussing this quietly with the clubs concerned and reaching an agreement. Instead they are making it public and the young man's statement that he felt like he wasn't getting anywhere at Derby feels a touch arrogant. It also doesn't concur with the experience of the vast majority of our young players who we can see are happy and developing well at our academy, which is punching well above its weight at all levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 9 minutes ago, RamNut said: They really need to sort out whatever the issue is with him and his parents. if he is determined to go, let him go. don't faff about demanding 120k because whatever the contract says, it is morally wrong. But you cant, it sends out the wrong message, what about the next one, maybe he is the next will hughes and has a talent, some other club decides they want him so they tell him and his dad to throw their toys out the pram in the hope Derby just let them go so no need for compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkleyram Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, RamNut said: They really need to sort out whatever the issue is with him and his parents. if he is determined to go, let him go. don't faff about demanding 120k because whatever the contract says, it is morally wrong. Then what's the point of a contract, any contract, if any agreement is subject to your morals Ramnut? I would have thought that teaching a kid not to worry about any contract he signs is more morally wrong than Derby demanding what is their due under the contract he voluntarily signed. But then that's my morals. No more right than yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 He feels he isn't getting anywhere at derby which is fine. I don't wish us to hold back an obvious talent that can do much better than derby. There must be offers mounting up for him as we speak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, ilkleyram said: Then what's the point of a contract, any contract, if any agreement is subject to your morals Ramnut? I would have thought that teaching a kid not to worry about any contract he signs is more morally wrong than Derby demanding what is their due under the contract he voluntarily signed. But then that's my morals. No more right than yours. Why would 80% of fees be waived if it was that important. i suppose i feel different because when her indoors dad left Derby, the club refused to release his playing registration which ended his career and he also had to go and play non-league. I don't know why it happened because he didn't ever want to talk about it, but he was upset, angry and bitter about it for the rest of his life. this kid is just starting out and shouldn't have his career wrecked by a billionaire owner holding out for 120k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 They say that there is an issue with the way he is being trained. he looks like a talented lad and thats probably why Derby are holding out. but its equivalent to modern slavery. if a senior player wanted to leave at the end of a three year contract, he leaves for free. should surely be the same for academy players. Or is it a contract for life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, RamNut said: Lo that will really attract players to come to our academy. a talented kid described as a toe rag and his father called an a******* just because they have an opinion about how he is being coached. Nice one. The fact he’s had 6 different clubs by the age of 15 says something... Man Utd, Man City and Villa being 3 of them. Those 3 being some of the best and most expensive current youth development systems in the country not being good enough for him says another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, rustylee said: Why would something a fan writes on here have any influence on attracting players to our academy? Not that..... knowing that the club will have a certain hard line attitude that could end a young players career if things go slightly wrong. i can imagine that he is a precocious talent. If we had a stan bowles, a charlie george, or a george best at 15, don't you think that they might be more difficult to deal with. Even martin odegaard has been difficult for Real Madrid to manage. maybe he needs special treatment. Maybe he is worth special treatment. At 16 will hughes was fast tracked into the first team. If this lad feels that he isn't progressing and isn't being trained right and the club are willing to let him go, then don't be like some modern slave owner.don't hold onto his registration. Let him go for something much more reasonable. £20k rather than £120k. or nil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostedRam Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 A little more on his background here http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/the-nightmares-that-lurk-beneath-the-football-dream-laid-bare-in-/4bg4ts9otawh1txlqx0x0ay1q He has left two clubs in acrimonious circumstances, went to Madrid and was in breach of law due to his dad being unemployed. FIFA rules state you can only move internationally if i parent has to move for employment. article is interesting in that it says parents and agents are using gifted children as cash cows and Not thinking of the human being. Could this be the answer to why he’s moving around a lot. Pushy parents and greedy agents. ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Do you really imagine that a 15 year old precocious talent with an unemployed father would be any different. we should be able to deal with it if we want to capture the really special talent. otherwise the Academy will just produce a steady stream of disciplined hard workers like jamie hanson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 42 minutes ago, RamNut said: They say that there is an issue with the way he is being trained. he looks like a talented lad and thats probably why Derby are holding out. but its equivalent to modern slavery. if a senior player wanted to leave at the end of a three year contract, he leaves for free. should surely be the same for academy players. Or is it a contract for life? It really isn't nothing like slavery. People who make this sort of comparison should probably go and do some reading about slavery. The lad (or his father) has decided to force the issue by bitching about the employer in the media. That never leads to anything good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 17 minutes ago, RamNut said: Do you really imagine that a 15 year old precocious talent with an unemployed father would be any different. we should be able to deal with it if we want to capture the really special talent. otherwise the Academy will just produce a steady stream of disciplined hard workers like jamie hanson. Nonsense. Talent without the right attitude leaves you with a Ravel Morrison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Zak, If you are reading this thread, ask your dad to take a back seat and leave it to the experts that are running a category 1 football academy. with best wishes for your future career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 14 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Nonsense. Talent without the right attitude leaves you with a Ravel Morrison. Ravel morrison is a w****** There is no suggestion that this lad's attitude is seriously wrong. Simply that he is frustrated with a lack of progress. throw him into the u21s or u23s. It looks like he needs to be tested and stretched. You get gifted kids who get bored at school. This lad looks more like a Dan Crowley. Players who are so talented and so used to playing in teams way above their age group that they get frustrated by an apparent lack of progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennington Ram Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 29 minutes ago, RamNut said: Do you really imagine that a 15 year old precocious talent with an unemployed father would be any different. we should be able to deal with it if we want to capture the really special talent. otherwise the Academy will just produce a steady stream of disciplined hard workers like jamie hanson. Do you not think one of the professional coaches at one of the 20 clubs this kid has been at might know better than him and his dad though? It doesn't even sound like we are a unique failure to get them sorted here, just the one that went public. If Utd etc couldn't I don't know why we suddenly think it's rubbish DCFC can't. It seems like the kid needs protecting from his dad far more than industry standard contracts that a million less fortune kids would have unsuccessfully busted a gut for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Whatever. we'll see if he comes through, and whether he does so at Derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, RamNut said: Whatever. we'll see if he comes through, and whether he does so at Derby. If he doesn't the blame will go on Derby it looks like they're creating a smoke screen. I'm surprised he hasn't blamed Keogh in all this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Winning skills competitions at an early age does not mean you will have the talent or the skills to make it as a Pro. Isn't the guy who is the best ball juggler a failed pro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 1 hour ago, rustylee said: Why would something a fan writes on here have any influence on attracting players to our academy? If players were affected by what people write here we would have none by now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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