Nuwtfly Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 16/10/2017 at 14:00, tomsdubs said: The lad is 20, it's not like we are talking about a kid really any more. I can't see him making it here unless he improves drastically as a late bloomer. Surely we're not expecting the lad to be the finished article at 20? He's got talent, just give him time to progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsdubs Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 11 hours ago, Nuwtfly said: Surely we're not expecting the lad to be the finished article at 20? He's got talent, just give him time to progress. Hughes was on his 4th season by 20, same goes for Bennett who was around the first team from 15. I like the look of Zanzala when I see the u23s but it's easy to bully those CBs. When I watch his interviews he seems a bit timid, we play in a ruthless league. Don't get me wrong I want Zanzala to be awesome but the club will only stick by him so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BondJovi Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Let's not forget that he has just about lost a season of development to injury. Match sharpness will take a long time to come back.Different players develop at different rates. Not realistic to say if he isn't in the team by 20 then scrap him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumblemumble Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 On 10/16/2017 at 14:00, tomsdubs said: The lad is 20, it's not like we are talking about a kid really any more. I can't see him making it here unless he improves drastically as a late bloomer. A 20 year old Harry Kane went on loan to Championship side Leicester and did bugger all. At 24, he's now the best striker in England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsdubs Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 8 minutes ago, mumblemumble said: A 20 year old Harry Kane went on loan to Championship side Leicester and did bugger all. At 24, he's now the best striker in England. I always thought Kane had something about him and at least he was playing at a decent level. Zanzala is currently non league. It's a pretty extreme example, pretty much an outlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richinspain Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 45 minutes ago, tomsdubs said: I always thought Kane had something about him and at least he was playing at a decent level. Zanzala is currently non league. It's a pretty extreme example, pretty much an outlier. Jamie Vardy didn’t play league football until he was 25! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 2 hours ago, mumblemumble said: A 20 year old Harry Kane went on loan to Championship side Leicester and did bugger all. At 24, he's now the best striker in England. A 21 year old Harry Winks played away at the Bernabeu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsdubs Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 1 hour ago, richinspain said: Jamie Vardy didn’t play league football until he was 25! True, and even when he went to Leicester he didn't set the championship on fire. But would Derby stick with Zanzala until he is 25/26? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 On 16/10/2017 at 14:00, tomsdubs said: The lad is 20, it's not like we are talking about a kid really any more. I can't see him making it here unless he improves drastically as a late bloomer. Believe me, a twenty-year old is a kid in life and most definitely in football terms, there are always exceptions but that is what they are, exceptions. It is good that the young lad is given opportunities by the club to play against defenders with far more know-how than he will come up against in the U23's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, tomsdubs said: True, and even when he went to Leicester he didn't set the championship on fire. But would Derby stick with Zanzala until he is 25/26? Why would they? If he doesn't ;look like he is going to break into the first team squad by the end of his contract he will be moved on. Vardy went to Fleetwood to learn his trade. Sometimes in football it can be just something a coach comes up with that can spark a change, or even just a lucky break or two or dropping down the pyramid to come back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richinspain Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 6 minutes ago, tomsdubs said: True, and even when he went to Leicester he didn't set the championship on fire. But would Derby stick with Zanzala until he is 25/26? I doubt it, but then again Tottenham stuck with Simon Dawkins until around that age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab a dab doo Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Give the lad a proper chance to show what he do. Why are we so quick to both build people up or dismiss players in an instant. Get real, Rome wasn't built in a day and neither are good players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 3 hours ago, bcnram said: Believe me, a twenty-year old is a kid in life and most definitely in football terms, there are always exceptions but that is what they are, exceptions. It is good that the young lad is given opportunities by the club to play against defenders with far more know-how than he will come up against in the U23's. But clough wasn’t on that particular job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianRam Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 On 10/16/2017 at 14:00, tomsdubs said: The lad is 20, it's not like we are talking about a kid really any more. I can't see him making it here unless he improves drastically as a late bloomer. Can seem him bouncing around L1/Conference level myself, if was five years ago he'd have had first team apperenace like Callum Ball got Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsdubs Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 12 hours ago, Rab a dab doo said: Give the lad a proper chance to show what he do. Why are we so quick to both build people up or dismiss players in an instant. Get real, Rome wasn't built in a day and neither are good players. Showing concern isn't dismissal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 On 10/14/2017 at 18:59, Ninos said: He was very disappointing against Real Union tbf so but hopefully he will step it up at Chester. He's not there long. The cats a goalscoring machine though. I thought cats were goal saving machines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 The choice of Chester is strange. To be honest I don't know what type of footballing side they are but if the style is too different it could prove to be a negative. Fingers crossed for the lad. I wonder if Hughes was 'ready for first team football' when Nigel gave him his chance. How exactly to you know when somebody is ready. U23 football is a waste of time.. Loans can go either way and not always the players fault. These are critical years and the current system does not work. Watched a lot of college football in the US and the draft system and it works. Very competitive games and a decent 'pathway' if you are good enough. Is it time to rip up the academy system? Yes in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumblemumble Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 21 hours ago, tomsdubs said: I always thought Kane had something about him and at least he was playing at a decent level. Zanzala is currently non league. It's a pretty extreme example, pretty much an outlier. It was just an example. Players develop at different ages. I don't think we can write off Zanzala yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 2 hours ago, mumblemumble said: It was just an example. Players develop at different ages. I don't think we can write off Zanzala yet. He's also just been out for a whole year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Ram Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Fair play to anyone who manages to have a hot take on a month long youth loan to Chester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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