Sexydadbod Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 16 minutes ago, BobbyD said: What I am beginning to find slightly worrying is that Gary , post match, regularly now seems to be criticising the players for not doing what he has asked them to do . Even things so daft that its often the 'wrong' penalty taker who steps up What does this say about the respect and confidence in which the players hold their manager and his 'team' ? Says that the problem always has been the players. They have a history of downing the tools. Didn't one of our former players say that they wouldn't want to be in the trenches with them? That suggests it all to me. Hope Rowett can change the mentality of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 3 minutes ago, Lord_Ram said: Not rowetts fault Carson decided to ping it straight to Billy sharp Not rowetts fault Russel decided to smack it straight into our own net Not rowetts fault vydra couldn't manage to score Sure he sets up the tactics and coaches them, but when there's a string of individual mistakes by the players that's not the managers fault. Rowett can do a lot but he can't kick the ball for them. The back 4 and 2 central midfielders we started today are all slightly prone to making mistakes when put under pressure. The way we've been playing (with them all sat very deep pinging long balls up to forwards who can't hold it up) is basically encouraging the opposition to repeatedly get the ball and run at us. Rowett might not be directly responsible for individual errors, but he's certainly at fault for setting us up in such a way that exposes the weaknesses in those 6 players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 3 minutes ago, McLovin said: He said sheff Utd played exactly how he told them they would do but the players didn't implement it and thought they could win because they play for Derby County. A manager can only do so much, the players have got a history of downing the tools when the going gets tough. If the players don't implement your instructions then that says more about the players. Fed up with us chopping and changing managers. We should stick with Rowett so he can change the attitude of this lot. I agree we can't chop and change...rowett should be given two seasons but I just don't buy the players don't try rubbish..... I train dogs and when they dont do what you want them to do or make mistakes completing an exercise,it's 99 percent of the time, because they don't fully understand what you want them to do....I have to then,adapt my training to ensure they do understand...it's then practised until it's second nature. The point us,it's not their fault,it's mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted McMinn Football Genius Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Cam the Ram said: If Mel somehow lost his marbles and sacked another manager after barely any time, who would you want to see take over @ramma? Gary Rowett ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Are we seriously having this discussion after 5 games......I love the Rams but some 'fans' are real numpties..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JG400 Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 1 minute ago, McLovin said: Says that the problem always has been the players. They have a history of downing the tools. Didn't one of our former players say that they wouldn't want to be in the trenches with them? That suggests it all to me. Hope Rowett can change the mentality of them Clearly He cannot , I am not blaming Rowett at all , it is just the players , bet most of them know they are going at the end of the season when contracts run out so there is no incentive to change , logic says we will have to pay their wages anyway simplistically I would start paying off contracts now , however I am sure that the finances say otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timdcfc Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 *Breaking news* Gary Rowett sacked after Ramma questioned Rowett's capability as a manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Just now, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said: I agree we can't chop and change...rowett should be given two seasons but I just don't buy the players don't try rubbish..... I train dogs and when they dont do what you want them to do or make mistakes completing an exercise,it's 99 percent of the time, because they don't fully understand what you want them to do....I have to then,adapt my training to ensure they do understand...it's then practised until it's second nature. The point us,it's not their fault,it's mine. But why should Rowett adapt to them when what was used in the past didn't work? It should be the players who adapt to him. A number of our previous managers say that the quality is there but it's the mentality that needs to be changed. Whilst I don't agree that the quality was there, it's alarming that they have all said that the mentality and character of the players needs to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swadieram Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Pearson should have been allowed to sort the dressing room out last year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyD Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 1 minute ago, McLovin said: Says that the problem always has been the players. They have a history of downing the tools. Didn't one of our former players say that they wouldn't want to be in the trenches with them? That suggests it all to me. Hope Rowett can change the mentality of them Why do you think the problem always has been the players McL ? Why has this happened time and time again ? Why don't the players respect their manager ? Why should they be averse to doing what their manager wants them to do ? Time and time again. That is the question or should I say questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brammie Steve Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 7 minutes ago, Lord_Ram said: Not rowetts fault Carson decided to ping it straight to Billy sharp Not rowetts fault Russel decided to smack it straight into our own net Not rowetts fault vydra couldn't manage to score Sure he sets up the tactics and coaches them, but when there's a string of individual mistakes by the players that's not the managers fault. Rowett can do a lot but he can't kick the ball for them. Not Rowett's fault that the ref was too timid to give a player a second yellow just so the Blades didn't have to play injury time with ten men. Nor did he convert Carson into a striker with one minute to go! He is not a rave and ranter but he was one livid manager at the end! No good making him a scapegoat after what we hope is the players' worst game of the season! (not just 'so far')! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, McLovin said: But why should Rowett adapt to them when what was used in the past didn't work? It should be the players who adapt to him. A number of our previous managers say that the quality is there but it's the mentality that needs to be changed. Whilst I don't agree that the quality was there, it's alarming that they have all said that the mentality and character of the players needs to change. So just out of interest, how long do you think it will take for huddlestone and Johnson to turn into mobile midfielders that can press high up the pitch, and how long for Vydra to turn into a creative midfield player, and how long for Martin to turn into a pacy channel-runner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Ram Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Is this a joke??? There are 46 games its a marathon not a sprint.... we're not going to win every game and first two goals unlicky third we sent carson up... its a loss not the end of the world... how can we build anything if we sack the manager after every loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 1 minute ago, duncanjwitham said: So just out of interest, how long do you think it will take for huddlestone and Johnson to turn into mobile midfielders that can press high up the pitch, and how long for Vydra to turn into a creative midfield player, and how long for Martin to turn into a pacy channel-runner? Maybe his hands are being tied due to ffp? We simply don't know. He needs at least 2-3 windows to sort out this mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papahet Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 5 minutes ago, swadieram said: Pearson should have been allowed to sort the dressing room out last year! And I'd argue Mcclaren should have been given the opportunity to sort this Summer . Another manager 9/10 means another chance for players to prove themselves all over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 4 minutes ago, BobbyD said: Why do you think the problem always has been the players McL ? Why has this happened time and time again ? Why don't the players respect their manager ? Why should they be averse to doing what their manager wants them to do ? Time and time again. That is the question or should I say questions. I simply don't know Bobby but I certainly won't be blaming the managers from now on. It's the same thing every year with these players. Eustace said that there are several big egos at Derby but Rowett has them under control, is he starting to lose that control like McClaren, Clement , Pearson and Wassall did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistaram Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 I'm a Rowett and want him to succeed but he has some strange thinking sometimes its a huge risk to start with 4 strikers away from home Because whatever you think of Weisman and Russell midfielders they are not Its also not taken opponent's long to work out stop Huddlestone and we've got nobody else who can pass a ball Sheff U were all over him like a rash every time he had the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Yes he's up to the job. He just needs time. Time to move on the players who he thinks are not good enough. Time to move on the players who can't or won't play the style of football he wants the team to play. Time to bring in the players he wants. Time to mould the new and remaining players into a team that is capable of competing and hopefully winning this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 3 minutes ago, McLovin said: Maybe his hands are being tied due to ffp? We simply don't know. He needs at least 2-3 windows to sort out this mess. Maybe they are, but if you can't get the players in to play the way you want, you can't just play that way anyway and say 'it's not my fault' when you get hammered. And I've said over and over again, I really don't want to spend 2 seasons of watching rubbish football, just so Rowett can build the dour, long ball side of his dreams. If we're going to commit to a manager, I'd much rather it be one that I have a least a little faith in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyD Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 7 minutes ago, McLovin said: I simply don't know Bobby but I certainly won't be blaming the managers from now on. It's the same thing every year with these players. Eustace said that there are several big egos at Derby but Rowett has them under control, is he starting to lose that control like McClaren, Clement , Pearson and Wassall did? Come on Mclovin You have strong views on DCFC and are not afraid to put them out there I enjoy your contributions You must have an opinion on why this is always the issue at the Rams and why it doesn't seem to go away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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