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On 8/27/2017 at 22:53, Bris Vegas said:

So you think you could just walk into the dressing room, click your fingers and tell the players to play intricate, one-touch fast football and they'll do it...

I don't think people quite understand the importance of what goes on on the training ground.

Barcelona didn't suddenly start playing the best football the world has ever seen because Pep walked in and told them 'go out there and play the best football the world has ever seen'.

If it was that easy, why bother with managers? Why pay Pep an obscene amount of money each year when you can just hire Millenniumram to walk into the dressing room and tell the players to play good football...

I know this won't come as a shock to you, but you can't half come across as a condescending arse sometimes...  Of course people appreciate the importance of better coaching.  The only have to look at our improvement with Schteve's two spells as manager to see the effect good coaching has.  But at the same time, if you work with a better caliber of player, your job of coaching them is in turn easier.  

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37 minutes ago, cannable said:

Isn't this just a case of the 'certain managers can do certain jobs' argument? 

Stick Allardyce at City and make Pep manage of that Bolton team and they both probably do awful, relatively speaking. 

Maybe.

Do you think Allardyce would play long ball percentage football if he had the Man City players at his disposal?

Bris has already said Pep is unable to coach players that are not up to it to play his style of football so what would he have done with Allardyces Bolton team?

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36 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Maybe.

Do you think Allardyce would play long ball percentage football if he had the Man City players at his disposal?

Bris has already said Pep is unable to coach players that are not up to it to play his style of football so what would he have done with Allardyces Bolton team?

Probably.

Managers very rarely tend to veer from their philosophy. 

Managers tend to be able to perform one specific job well, which is the main reason why we don't see many English managers getting the big jobs, because most are still hard-to-beat pragmatists. 

Give Pep a squad of technicians and he'll make them one for the generations. Give Allardyce or Pulis a bunch of rubbish cloggers and they'll punch above their weight. 

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25 minutes ago, cannable said:

Probably.

Managers very rarely tend to veer from their philosophy. 

Managers tend to be able to perform one specific job well, which is the main reason why we don't see many English managers getting the big jobs, because most are still hard-to-beat pragmatists. 

Give Pep a squad of technicians and he'll make them one for the generations. Give Allardyce or Pulis a bunch of rubbish cloggers and they'll punch above their weight. 

Not sure how English managers will ever get the chance then.

Eddie Howe is a good example of an English manager that has had teams playing good football at every level, do you think he's even been a consideration when good jobs have come up in recent years? 

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12 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Not sure how English managers will ever get the chance then.

Eddie Howe is a good example of an English manager that has had teams playing good football at every level, do you think he's even been a consideration when good jobs have come up in recent years? 

Hideous dealings in the transfer market.

Before this season he'd spent £81,000,000 on seven or eight figure players and only a couple have become regulars for Bournemouth. They've straight up wasted twenty-odd million on players who have barely managed 30 appearances between them. 

He's pretty much the same XI playing good football from League One to the Prem. 

Possibly the reason, he's probably the most likely candidate though

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19 minutes ago, cannable said:

Hideous dealings in the transfer market.

Before this season he'd spent £81,000,000 on seven or eight figure players and only a couple have become regulars for Bournemouth. They've straight up wasted twenty-odd million on players who have barely managed 30 appearances between them. 

He's pretty much the same XI playing good football from League One to the Prem. 

Possibly the reason, he's probably the most likely candidate though

Guardiola has spent not much less than that on a awful goalkeeper and reserve full back!

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24 minutes ago, cannable said:

Hideous dealings in the transfer market.

Before this season he'd spent £81,000,000 on seven or eight figure players and only a couple have become regulars for Bournemouth. They've straight up wasted twenty-odd million on players who have barely managed 30 appearances between them. 

He's pretty much the same XI playing good football from League One to the Prem. 

Possibly the reason, he's probably the most likely candidate though

No wonder he's been mooted as a future Arsenal manager...

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8 minutes ago, Millenniumram said:

See guardiola is continuing to bring the average age of his squad down by swapping 22 year old sterling for 28 year old Sanchez:ph34r:

As well as trying to replace 26 year old Mangala with 29 year old Evans.

It really is a rebuilding project on a scale that the footballing world has never seen before. 

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Sanchez - 29 in December. Evans - 30 in January.

Besides the transfer fees which will total probably £60 million combined, they will need to install stairlifts at the training ground, hire some care workers, book in a few hip replacements for after the Christmas party.

Good ol' Pep, so shrewd, so crafty.

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2 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

Guardiola has spent not much less than that on a awful goalkeeper and reserve full back!

The awful goalkeeper who has won the Copa America twice with Chile, and a treble at Barcelona? Claudio Bravo's form last season in the Premier League was poor, but he's not an awful goalkeeper.

 

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City have already told Mangala he has no future there, as he isn't good enough.

So if they sold Mangala, they are left with three CB's in Kompany, Stones and Otamendi. Considering they will be playing three at the back a fair few times this season, they obviously need to bring in another.

Jonny Evans is an experienced CB and they're probably looking at him as a short-term fix.

As for Alexis Sanchez, he has one year left on his contract and Pep knows all about him. Why wouldn't he try and sign him? I don't think he will sell Sterling though. Then again, Sterling doesn't have a football brain so he must be so frustrating to work with.

City have bought in plenty of younger players, bringing down the average age of the first-team squad.

I'm really looking forward to watching them this season to see their progress.

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16 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said:

The awful goalkeeper who has won the Copa America twice with Chile, and a treble at Barcelona? Claudio Bravo's form last season in the Premier League was poor, but he's not an awful goalkeeper.

You're right,  awful was actually a compliment.

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11 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said:

City have already told Mangala he has no future there, as he isn't good enough.

So if they sold Mangala, they are left with three CB's in Kompany, Stones and Otamendi. Considering they will be playing three at the back a fair few times this season, they obviously need to bring in another.

Jonny Evans is an experienced CB and they're probably looking at him as a short-term fix.

As for Alexis Sanchez, he has one year left on his contract and Pep knows all about him. Why wouldn't he try and sign him? I don't think he will sell Sterling though. Then again, Sterling doesn't have a football brain so he must be so frustrating to work with.

City have bought in plenty of younger players, bringing down the average age of the first-team squad.

I'm really looking forward to watching them this season to see their progress.

Nobody is questioning the signings, they both seem to fly in the face of the reason that you gave for why City were unable to perform last season.

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4 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Nobody is questioning the signings, they both seem to fly in the face of the reason that you gave for why City were unable to perform last season.

Fly in the face? No, at 29 and 28 they're at peak age. I gave you a list of the players City sold, with the majority over 30.

City have already brought in a fair number of younger players. If they want to now bring in players in their prime who will be a short-fix, then there is absoloutely nothing wrong with that.

In Danilo, Ederson, Stones, Bernardo Silva, De Bruyne, Gabriel Jesus, Leroy Sane, Gundogan, Benjamin Mendy, Raheem Sterling and Brahim Diaz they have a core group of players who will be there for the next five years.

David Silva, Sergio Aguero, Vincent Komany and Otamendi will probably be around for the next two or three years still.

Kyle Walker will be an interesting one. At 27, and heavily reliable on pace, it will be interesting to see many years he can remain a top wing-back. He could be there for up to five years too, though perhaps at 32 he won't be a regular.

Jonny Evans and Alexis Sanchez could be players for the next three or four years too. Yeah they're not long-term solutions, but they don't have to be now as City now have a core long-term group there.

 

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6 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said:

He's a better goalkeeper than Joe Hart has ever been.

With his average 1 save per game last season and 1 save per goal conceded, it's very hard to argue with you there. I will hazard a guess that this was down to bad luck or something. 

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1 minute ago, G STAR RAM said:

With his average 1 save per game last season and 1 save per goal conceded, it's very hard to argue with you there. I will hazard a guess that this was down to bad luck or something. 

Not denying he was poor last season. But that was bad form. Throughout his career he has been better than Joe Hart.

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Apparently they've offered Stirling to the arse in exchange for Sanchez and money.

And presumably a claus stating the inside of the emirates display "Man City are vastly superior" banners and Pep gets to spank Wenger with Wenger contractually obliged to say "another please sir"after each one.

Stirling is talented, but he won't save arsenal from mediocre seasons.

As for Pep...Man U are better at present.

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