eddy779h34 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Listening to Craig Ramage last night on RD Saying we need to oust most of the dead wood in the squad , make them train on their own ,or pay em off. We need at least 4 more in to change the look of the team I fully agree Can't we get him in as a adviser to the board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Erm... not sure where to start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 I think the guy talks nonsense. We need to get rid of those that don't play? Yeah, so does every club in the world. Make them train on their own? How would that make their teammates, mates and potential future signings feel? You struggle then you get binned with no chance of a revival. Derby County: football's North Korea. Pay them off... buy their contracts out? Let them take the money they'd get for being on our books while they go earn a wage somewhere else at the same time? I know he talks hypocritical garbage on a matchday but if this is his advice when he's not an emotional wreck then he's outdone himself. The concept of having lots of really passionate people around the club sounds great on paper. But passionate people speak/act from the heart rather than the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DcFc Dyycheee Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 12 minutes ago, eddy779h34 said: Listening to Craig Ramage last night on RD Saying we need to oust most of the dead wood in the squad , make them train on their own ,or pay em off. We need at least 4 more in to change the look of the team I fully agree Can't we get him in as a adviser to the board Hello Craig. Big fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Can't wait for @OwenB557 thoughts on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, sage said: Can't wait for @OwenB557 thoughts on this thread. Erm, he started the thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFox1993 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 59 minutes ago, eddy779h34 said: Listening to Craig Ramage last night on RD Saying we need to oust most of the dead wood in the squad , make them train on their own ,or pay em off. We need at least 4 more in to change the look of the team I fully agree Can't we get him in as a adviser to the board Teams actually have to want our players , and we cant just pay them off that would kill us financially as we have overpaid in wages and long contracts. Also people think we are close to FFP (I dont ) , but if we was paying of contracts certainly wouldnt help with that ... Also players tend to cost money so while it would be lovely to bring in 4 players , in the positions we are currently supposed to be looking at , your talking perhaps 7million for a winger 5 million for a number 10/center mid maybe 2 loans with a fee to pay its not realistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FindernRam Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 "Ramage talks sense" Well there has to be a first time I suppose, but stating the bl***ing obvious of offloading is not it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1967Ram Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 I'm sure I read that team morale was good. Don't think it would be if these ideas were implemented. My impression is that we have a good, committed squad who all want to play. Lets see how we do with stable management. We may well sell some more soon but that doesn't mean they don't want to play for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy779h34 Posted August 9, 2017 Author Share Posted August 9, 2017 Thing is He's right in saying ,with this current squad will be just outside the play off's with what we have The concept of the team is still the same , less the flair of Hughes and Ince Weimann Bennett Russell Butterfield Hansen Johnson Anya Nugent Baird Olsen Shackell Blackman Bryson all need to be moved on Can we have a summer sale I wonder if we could put them up for Auction ,perhaps ebay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen87ITK Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 2 hours ago, eddy779h34 said: Listening to Craig Ramage last night on RD Saying we need to oust most of the dead wood in the squad , make them train on their own ,or pay em off. We need at least 4 more in to change the look of the team I fully agree Can't we get him in as a adviser to the board As I said to Craig on air last night, saying these things and then actually doing them are two very, very different things. If GR effectively bullies a player out of the club for example, maybe that will affect the rest of the squad, or potential new signings? There are clearly financial implications too. Believe it or not there isn't a bottomless money pit. GR has been clear that he wants a clear out. He has been trying very hard to move things on. He's found it more difficult than he expected. So yeah, Craig is right. Gary's right too though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 He might talk sense but he does not talk English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSox Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 36 minutes ago, OwenB87 said: As I said to Craig on air last night, saying these things and then actually doing them are two very, very different things. If GR effectively bullies a player out of the club for example, maybe that will affect the rest of the squad, or potential new signings? There are clearly financial implications too. Believe it or not there isn't a bottomless money pit. GR has been clear that he wants a clear out. He has been trying very hard to move things on. He's found it more difficult than he expected. So yeah, Craig is right. Gary's right too though. Owen, is he getting any closer to achieve his plans though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inglorius Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 If it were that easy why hasn't Rowett already done it? Or McClaren before him or Pearson before him or Wassall before him or Clement before him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy779h34 Posted August 9, 2017 Author Share Posted August 9, 2017 Clement was the one who brought em all here!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodleyRam Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 We have too many players. This is a known fact. No one seems to agree who the 'too many' are. Even with large nunbers we cant quite seem to get the right balance in the first team. Of course in an ideal world you have a squad of talented, committed individuals blending grit, leadership, determination, youth, experience, flair and winners. In an ideal world. At present it doesn't appear that Rowett has any attitude problems to contend with, just too many players and not the right balance. Ramage isn't a genius for stating the obvious. And his solutions seem a little flawed. You can't make people train on their own without them doing something wrong. You can't sell players that clubs don't want to buy and we can't afford to pay off contracts at random. So yeah. Ramage saying we still have too many players and an imbalanced squad is right. His solutions are based in Football Manager fantasy land though. People who claim to 'tell it like it is' are invariably those unable to grasp that reality is more complex than they can cope with. I'd put Ramage in to that that category, decent bloke, passionate etc. But there's a reason why pundits aren't actually in charge of football clubs themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inglorius Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Ostricising or marginalising someone in order to get them to leave a business?Ramage is obviously well read up on Employment Law in particular constructive dismissal it sounds like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 4 hours ago, OwenB87 said: As I said to Craig on air last night, saying these things and then actually doing them are two very, very different things. If GR effectively bullies a player out of the club for example, maybe that will affect the rest of the squad, or potential new signings? There are clearly financial implications too. Believe it or not there isn't a bottomless money pit. GR has been clear that he wants a clear out. He has been trying very hard to move things on. He's found it more difficult than he expected. So yeah, Craig is right. Gary's right too though. My ins and outs thread gets more relevant by the day lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardmm Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Bizarre moment last night. Two minutes in and ramage said that we were sloppy and that Grimsby were the better team. Nipped in to the Chinese, came out to hear Keogh had scored and that derby had dominated the last 5 minutes......had to check my watch. Thought I'd lost my mind but it appears not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, Beardmm said: Bizarre moment last night. Two minutes in and ramage said that we were sloppy and that Grimsby were the better team. Nipped in to the Chinese, came out to hear Keogh had scored and that derby had dominated the last 5 minutes......had to check my watch. Thought I'd lost my mind but it appears not Grimsby are not going to be Derby County's bench Mark if they are god help us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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