Same mistake?

[bucktwo]

1 hour ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said:

We only sold our top goal scorer for last season.......Martin was our top scorer for three seasons prior to that and generally added 7 to 8 goals on per season...so roughly what bent and ince scored in total last season combined.

Both were both brought in to cover when Martin was injured don't forget...we were never short of goals prior to their arrival...in fact their styles never truely fitted in and actually disrupted our system.

So I'm not concerned about ince leaving to be honest,we already have enough potential firepower in my opinion.....another winger would be great,bloody great,don't get me wrong but having a settled,consistent team who are confident and playing to the best of their abilities is the key this season....

And anyway,I believe that weimann really could step up to the plate,on the wing,this season....he's no Tom ince but he's a team player and more than good enough for this division.

We have already seen evidence of a potential partnership with Martin with them linking up together and I wonder if instead of replacing ince directly,he instead becomes more of a Jamie ward terrier type of player who links up well but can deliver a decent cross too.

 

Ah ha ...  at last someone who sees it like me ...I so agree with this post !!!

[archied]

Think what we lack at the moment is that player with a spark of magic up front ,a player that excites the fans in the way a Hughes or ince did ,, im hoping rowett can find us that player either from incoming transfer or someone already at the club who he can spark into life ,, it could be the Watford version of vydra? ,, the purple patch Blackman ? A youngster given his first team chance and stepping up 

without that I think the time afforded to rowett by fans if results don't go great might be much shorter after the sales of our two star players

 

[EnigmaRam]

25 minutes ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said:

Bizarre if that's the way your mind operates....complete sense to others but I do suspect from your comments on Pearson that we operate in parallel universes....(in yours, Pearson was good for us and didn't loan our top scoring striker out presumably.....no wonder this universe is confusing for you)

However;

A)As far as I recall,ince and bent were brought in as cover...if I'm wrong please explain

B)27 goals?.....either your maths is letting you down or you didn't read the post correctly.

C)we have adequate firepower in my opinion but who would not want better?...rowett would appear to agree.

D)Ince was excellent and weimann is also good but in different ways...as I said weimann is good enough for the championship and is a team player...ince is better but it's about the team and how it gels and plays together that's the difference and weimann seems to be capable of fitting into that role.

 

 

 

A) Bent was brought in to cover, Ince was brought in because we needed a wide forward.

B) maybe your right about not reading it correctly, and yes my maths is off as they scored 28 combined not 27. What's the added 7-8 goals per season bit?

c) we don't have adequate firepower or we wouldn't be looking for new attackers. Clearly rowett agrees. If it was adequate we wouldn't be looking to spend millions on better.

d) I like weimann and agree he's good enough. Ince was the perfect player though and never unbalanced the team or make it NOT gel. Scored goals and was a team player. 

[Parsnip]

2 hours ago, archied said:

Don't get me wrong ,I think rowett is trying to do things the right way my concern is we seem to be struggling in terms of replacing the creative side of things we've lost with ince and Hughes ,, think fans are far less forgiving than if you struggle at the back but are good to watch and score plenty ,,, will he get the time he needs if we go into the season lacking any real flair going forward 

He's on the muthafuka.

[jake the ram]

Lawrence to Brighton ? Inces 15 goals. Wot next derby will struggle for goals unless we sort this out pronto

[BathRam72]

I am not going to harp on about this but.

Hughes for one never recaptured his form after injury.

I think Huddlestone has more nounce, ability and is a better passer and just as good vision.

 

Don't sweat it, I am sure all will be fine. 

Rome and all that

[Harrowram]

Ince's replacement should have been sorted out weeks ago. The season starts next Friday and Rowett hasn't replaced our top goal scorer from last season! I think he will have to get on the phone pronto to leicester and /or Liverpool today and do some business. Otherwise any talk of promotion will lack credibility as will Rowett.

[eddie]

17 minutes ago, Harrowram said:

Ince's replacement should have been sorted out weeks ago. The season starts next Friday and Rowett hasn't replaced our top goal scorer from last season! I think he will have to get on the phone pronto to leicester and /or Liverpool today and do some business. Otherwise any talk of promotion will lack credibility as will Rowett.

And here's me thinking that Hysteria was just an album by Def Leppard.

[SaintRam]

Pearsons mistake was not selling our top scorer and not replacing him.

He did replace him, if you'll all remember. Using hindsight to say "Vydra didnt replace him because he wasn't good enough" is unfair when drawing a comparison to the present, in which we have no idea if any signing would be a success.

Pearson's mistake was not knowing how to manage a team of players properly.

[RadioactiveWaste]

10 minutes ago, SaintRam said:

Pearsons mistake was not selling our top scorer and not replacing him.

He did replace him, if you'll all remember. Using hindsight to say "Vydra didnt replace him because he wasn't good enough" is unfair when drawing a comparison to the present, in which we have no idea if any signing would be a success.

Pearson's mistake was not knowing how to manage a team of players properly.

I think I'd argue Pearson didnt know how to make this team of players play like his "at Leicester" team and would not or could not make them play like a Derby team.

 

[Spanish]

11 hours ago, Inglorius said:

We obviously wanted the quick money for both of them. I still can't fathom the reason why as it's left us in a very poor negotiating position for buying replacements.

I have no inside knowledge and perhaps you do but I don't think it is obviously a need for quick money.  Quite possible that Hughes had an option in his new contract which was exercised (no choice and nobody else wanted him) and Ince was a reasonable deal (he also wanted prem football).  So to answer your concern about the decisions being unfathomable, maybe there is nothing to work out.

[ramsbottom]

11 hours ago, PistoldPete2 said:

Well we have martin back, and nugent too. So goal scoring shouldn't be a problem, it's the lack of creative players that I worry about. No doubt about it , hughes and ince are huge losses and we are boxing ourselves in by selling them early in the transfer window... Surprise surprise we now find possible replacements to be inferior or more expensive or both. 

Actually, we've done the opposite.  We've sold two players which may have otherwise disrupted our entire preseason by selling them early in the window, whilst hopefully avoiding the last minute, panic buys that were Vydra & Anya.  There's still over a month to go to source the creativity we need...

[ck-]

12 hours ago, Inglorius said:

We obviously wanted the quick money for both of them. I still can't fathom the reason why as it's left us in a very poor negotiating position for buying replacements.

While I don't like having sold them both, arguably the negotiating position is stronger. If we'd gained large fees for them, other clubs would be looking to relieve us of that.