sage Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 It's frustrating that in Bent, Blackman and Vydra we have 3 players on high wages who I suspect we would like to sell or loan this summer aren't in the shop window now due to injury. I hope this doesn't have a negative impact on who we are able to bring in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Eagle's Barmy Army Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 10 minutes ago, sage said: It's frustrating that in Bent, Blackman and Vydra we have 3 players on high wages who I suspect we would like to sell or loan this summer aren't in the shop window now due to injury. I hope this doesn't have a negative impact on who we are able to bring in. Always look on the bright side, them being on the bench is currently having a positive effect on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, sage said: It's frustrating that in Bent, Blackman and Vydra we have 3 players on high wages who I suspect we would like to sell or loan this summer aren't in the shop window now due to injury. I hope this doesn't have a negative impact on who we are able to bring in. It obviously has an impact on what we can do budget wise, but where are we with these players? Vydra we know can do the business in this league and may spark with players around him who will pass the ball to him ( Martin mainly because Ince never did) Blackman well he has never looked up to the task at any point so his future really should be away from Derby and Bent despite the lack of build up play and reduction in speed he does know where the net is and will score goals if the ball gets into the penalty box but will he be happy with the second reserve position? So for me Blackman away at a cost, Bent carry on unless another deal comes his way and Vydra has to be worth persevering with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC1388 Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Personally thought Sunderland might have come in for Bent, I think he is still liked by their fans and they only have 1 recognised striker in Vaughan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee_derby Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 read somewhere that charlton have come in for bent carnt find where now ? hope is injury is just short time for is sake all round, i would like to see him go to make way but he is still a asset to us as he can score goals because he gets in the box more (offside a bit to much).vydra is a hard one as we have paid top dollar for him and havnt really given him time to show what he can do. (we would lose to much if sold off). blackman hasnt had proper consistant football either down to injury problems,he is trying is best to please and does have some quality.( me personally would try and sell if not loan out) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 1 hour ago, lee_derby said: read somewhere that charlton have come in for bent carnt find where now ? hope is injury is just short time for is sake all round, i would like to see him go to make way but he is still a asset to us as he can score goals because he gets in the box more (offside a bit to much).vydra is a hard one as we have paid top dollar for him and havnt really given him time to show what he can do. (we would lose to much if sold off). blackman hasnt had proper consistant football either down to injury problems,he is trying is best to please and does have some quality.( me personally would try and sell if not loan out) Pretty good summary fella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Bent can still do a job for us,back in his original role as a late match scoring sub........you can still bet on him scoring which really isn't something you can state with any confidence in respect of Blackman or even more so vydra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 7 hours ago, sage said: It's frustrating that in Bent, Blackman and Vydra we have 3 players on high wages who I suspect we would like to sell or loan this summer aren't in the shop window now due to injury. I hope this doesn't have a negative impact on who we are able to bring in. You can add Shackell to that list too. Assuming they're fit, I think we'll end up loaning out Shackell & Blackman before the close of the window. Vydra & Bent will stay as backups to Nugent & Martin. I'd also try to loan out Lowe for the season to try and toughen up his seemingly frail body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Would people let Bent go on a free? Would people let Bent go on a free and subsidise his wages by 50%? (Assuming he's on around 30-40k a week) I would say yes to both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 I think Blackman will feign injury until the day after the transfer window has closed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sheriff Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 I wouldn't look to offload bent. Proven goalscorer. Blackman can go though and as for vydra I think he still might of me good given the playtime and correct positioning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViewsFromTheMiddle Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Think we're still to see the best of Vydra. Showed at Watford how good he can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted July 20, 2017 Author Share Posted July 20, 2017 8 minutes ago, ViewsFromTheMiddle said: Think we're still to see the best of Vydra. Showed at Watford how good he can be. He has showed in 2 seasons out of 6 how good he can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 1 minute ago, sage said: He has showed in 2 seasons out of 6 how good he can be. Which is 1 more than most our players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, sage said: He has showed in 2 seasons out of 6 how good he can be. About the same success rate as Chris Martin at the same age then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 I'm not annoyed in the slightest about these players going or not going. I don't see any player in our squad as incapable of having an impact next season. We don't have a single player that's not shown ability at some stage in his career, whether that's been in the past 12 months or not doesn't matter one squat. Darren Bent continues to get stick, but we know he will score goals. I admit his all round play is progressively getting worse, but he's a solid professional, by all accounts seems to train hard and 10 goals in 22 starts last season. He's a good option to have in the squad, IMO. We need to keep an open mind about the players who don't leave the club, like Blackman. We're not dealing with completely unproven players any more. I agree we should move players on if the opportunity comes along, but I would not at all be upset with anyone in the current squad staying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted July 20, 2017 Author Share Posted July 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, EnigmaRam said: Which is 1 more than most our players Most? Would you like to name 12 current senior players who have only had 1 good season out of 6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViewsFromTheMiddle Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 8 minutes ago, sage said: He has showed in 2 seasons out of 6 how good he can be. Maybe so, but I still think it's too early to give up on him. He linked up well with Deeney at Watford and I've no reason to believe he can't with Martin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Blackman is quality - just hasn't had a chance. and when he has, the ball just hasn't fall kindly. and when it has, he's been very unlucky not to score. I think you'll find that someone got in the way or the ball went wide. Not his fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 14 minutes ago, sage said: Most? Would you like to name 12 current senior players who have only had 1 good season out of 6? It was a bit of a sarcastic tongue in cheek comment but you would have to define a good season first. is being in a promotion team good? Being in a relegated team from the prem good? Individual performance rating? Goals scored? Assists? Goals conceded? havent seen most of these players play every game at their respective clubs for the last 6 years either. If you ask some of our fans, Martin is rubbish, Ince was lazy, Carson can't command his box and keoghs our sole reason for failing the last few years! i could give you my personal names but means jack really, as most opinions tend to unless they are the same as yours ?✌ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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